From: ml (mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Tue Aug 31 2004 - 16:58:02 BST
Hello Wim,
> Wim:
> What do I mean with a 5th level?
> The MoQ is in principle open to the emergence of a 5th level, a type of
> patterns of value that differs from 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th level types and
> that can mediate between DQ and 4th level patterns of value. From a 4th
> level perspective 5th level patterns of value cannot be described (just as
> 4th level patterns of value cannot be grasped in 3rd level terms, as
> habitual behaviour). If it could, it wouldn't be a new level. Does it
exist?
> I don't know. Maybe enlightened individuals experience it, but are sadly
and
> tragically unable to communicate the experience to us, who are still mired
> in 4th level patterns of value?
>
mel:
Hence, the flavor of the Paradoxical and Bizarre in
the statements of the Zen patriarchs, the words
of the 'saints', and the reliance on analogy when
'transcendent' experiences are discussed.
The finger points at the moon, we are still watching
the finger...
thanks--mel
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