RE: MD Plotinus, Pirsig and Wilber

From: Chuck Roghair (ctr@pacificpartssales.com)
Date: Tue Aug 31 2004 - 20:53:45 BST

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    Hello All:

    Ml:
    The tensegrity of the two are neccessary...

    Chuck:
    Or the realization that they are one in the same.

    Wisdom allows freedom from forms.

    All anxiety is born of separation.

    Best, C.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]
    On Behalf Of ml
    Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:39 AM
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    Subject: Re: MD Plotinus, Pirsig and Wilber

    Hello Ian,

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:59 AM
    Subject: Re: MD Plotinus, Pirsig and Wilber

    > Platt, DMB,
    > Given the other "logic" thread I've got going,
    > I'm not sure I should start another argument here ... But I will.
    >
    > "Wisdom" of the ages is very important,
    > but, actually it is the antithesis of "conservatism"
    > What conservatism "restores" is the convention / paradigms of the past,
    > not its wisdom, 'cos it's easier to manage / argue without wisdom.
    >
    > Wisdom is pure DQ - anathema to a conservative.
    >

    mel:
    Wisdom is the accumulated experiance of
    lessons learned from error, failure and success.
    Wisdom WAS Dynamic at the point of the learning
    and become fixed as lessons or a Static set of
    accreted rules. DQ is just DQ and may more
    correctly be found in the learning of those lessons.

    Conservatism is a position favoring stability
    extant in a social order over potential threats
    in the form of disorder or chaotic change.
    (Relys on the static set of Wisdom rules.
    "We know 'X' does not work.")

    Liberalism favors change that promises to
    improve the social order.
    (Relys on the static set of Wisdom rules,
    but uses a different approach. "We know 'X'
    didn't work, but can we try 'Y'? )

    Either path is faulty, but both rely on Wisdom...

    A successful social order relies on the
    tension between both. The conservative
    stance is the bones of the body politic and
    the liberal impulse is the muscle. By successful
    integration a stable and dynamic society
    operates.

    Islamic society has lots of 'bones' and little
    'muscle', much of Africa has muscle to spare
    and no bone.

    The tensegrity of the two are neccessary...

    thanks--mel
     

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