From: Scott Roberts (jse885@earthlink.net)
Date: Thu Sep 02 2004 - 00:58:34 BST
Robert,
>Just found this list and am glad of it.
Welcome.
>I have found it curious that Pirsig never mentions Charles Peirce. Peirce' cenopythagorean catagories - Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness - seem similar to Pirsig's Quality, Object, Subject triad.
>Has anyone run across any Pirsig comments on Charles Peirce?
Not that I can recall, but others may.
The first thing is that Pirsig's Quality, Object, Subject triad is from Zen and the Art. In the MOQ he replaces it with Quality, Dynamic Quality, and Static Quality. Subject and object become, in the MOQ, two broad categories of SQ; subject = intellectual and social, object = biological and inorganic. (Warning: I happen to disagree with Pirsig on this and other things, so don't take me as the last word on this or any other MOQ question.)
Now if one asks if the Quality/DQ/SQ triad bears a relation to Peirce, I would say no. Peirce's firsts, seconds, and thirds are all phenomenal, while in the MOQ only SQ is phenomenal, except to say that Quality is always present, and in a sense makes what is phenomenal phenomenal (we don't perceive what has no value). So we are really talking about two different approaches here. As far as I can see, Pirsig doesn't do any analysis along Peirce's lines at all, which I kind of regret.
- Scott
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