From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Sep 05 2004 - 17:41:59 BST
coral analogy & living example -exactly how
SQ works I believe, very nice.
DM
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From: "ml" <mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com>
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Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: MD interaction between levels - ?
> Hello Marsha.
>
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> From: MarshaV
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> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:03 AM
> Subject: Re: MD interaction between levels - ?
>
>
> <snip>
>
> > I have a question. Why does it have to be hierarchical?
> > Why can't the 'four levels' be four major systems that
> > interact with each other? Interconnected. There can
> > still exist the respect for the old stability and the new
> > freedom.
>
> mel:
> If I understand correctly, the notion of heirarchy is
> from the order of their arising and the way in which
> each level emerges from the one that came before.
>
> To put it another way, you cannot have significant
> intellectual activity and subjects unless a society
> exists with all of its full wealth of subject matter,
> complexity, and structure for the intellect to draw
> upon.
>
> Similarly there is little possibility for a society if
> there are no biological beings to support, create,
> and enrich one.
>
> As there can be no biological beings without a
> supporting physical universe complete with its
> chemistry and chemicals, and processes.
>
> In practice, there are four major systems that
> interact with each other, Interconnected.
> But because of their unique connections, each
> 'daughter' system is in conflict at times with its
> 'mother' system, yet exists only because of it.
>
> Each level can only see any other level through
> the 'older' or original level's rules, the only ones
> by which it can itself operate. The higher level
> can see the rules of the lower level, but sees
> others as well. Those others that it sees are the
> rules than define the higher level AS higher.
>
> Stability may be the biggest illusion of all. In
> even our understanding of rock and metal the
> material of which each is constructed is very
> much more dynamic than the 'normal' or our
> accustomed view holds.
>
> In some way Pirsig might have done better to
> find another word than Static in the MoQ to get
> the notion of Less Dynamic across, as the word
> static can be read to mean unchanging.
>
> On a visit to the Monterrey Aquarium this summer
> it occurred to me that the MoQ is in some ways
> conceptually like a Coral. The new generation of
> coral are soft and mobile and have the ability and
> opportunity to go anywhere, they are Dynamic, but
> once their choice has been made, they are the
> newest or freshest accretion on their local part of
> the reef, they are becoming Static. While centimeters,
> meters, or significant fractions of a kilometer below
> our newly fixed coral polyp, are the dead and accreted
> mass of long Static supporting mass. Yet, even in the
> oldest level there is change; it compresses and
> begins to behave in a manner more like a rock, than
> anything living.
>
> So, in a way, the 'old stability' supports the new
> freedom.
>
> Hope this helps somewhat and I am sure that
> others will do better to clarify any questions. That's
> my attempt...
>
> thanks--mel
>
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