RE: MD Pirsig a liberal?

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Jan 18 2003 - 17:29:07 GMT

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    Kevin and all citizens:

    Kevin asked:
    If socialism is "more moral" and "more evolved" then why is it dying
    out, according to Pirsig? He seems to suggest that it lacks DQ. How can
    it lack DQ and be "more moral" at the same time? Something doesn't quite
    jive with that.

    DMB says:
    Good question. But there is also a good anwer and it does all "jive". It
    does all fit together. The answer can be found in the moral codes. These
    codes are the key to understanding the MOQ as a moral compass in general and
    also your specific question. The first part is easy. Socialism and the other
    4th level ideologies are morally superior than the 3rd level ideologies
    simply because they are at a higher level of evolution. Here we are only
    comparing static patterns and so it is as easy as knowing that 4 is more
    than 3. The final moral code introduces DQ into this analysis and says that
    ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, the more dynamic choice is more moral. In this
    case, we can't say third level traditions are more moral even if they happen
    to be "inadvertantly" more dynamic, not even if it were intentionally
    dynamic. We can't say that because all other things are NOT equal. They are
    still at different levels of evolution. And this fifth moral code applies at
    all levels. The most dynamic animal that ever lived would still be less
    moral than the most static tradition. We can only rightly invoke the final
    moral code when we are comparing things at the same level. That's when ALL
    OTHER THINGS can be equal. When are choice is between two things at the same
    level, then we can say its correct to pick the more dynamic one. So, as I
    understand it, the MOQ tells us that the best choice in politics would be a
    socialism that does recognize the need for dynamism. It would advocate an
    intellectually guided society that does not make the mistake of locking out
    DQ. Make sense? I hope so.

    Kevin said:
    Maybe Pirsig is making a distinction between the Theories and the
    Systems involved? The IDEA of the Left is more moral, but historically
    the socialists (and I assume he means the Hard Left not just Social
    Democrats like most of western europe) failed to implement actual
    Systems that made good on these high ideas without resorting to regimes
    devoid of DQ. Is that the point?

    DMB says:
    No, I don't think Pirsig makes such a distinction. And I'm pretty certain
    that Pirsig was talking about Social Democrats, Liberals and other softer
    left ideologies. In fact, he mentions FDR and the New Deal, Woodrow Wilson
    and other relatively moderate types as examples.

    Kevin said:
    Or is he saying that in practice, a low-moral idea that allows for DQ
    (capitalism) is superior to a high-moral idea that doesn't? Or has
    practice nothing to do with it and even in theory this is the case?

    DMB says:
    No. Again, we can't rightly apply the final moral code, the code of art
    across the levels, but only when they are otherwise equal. Otherwise, we
    could argue that its moral for the doctor to choose a dynamic virus over a
    dull and static patient. The absurdity of such a choice is very clear and
    shows why we ought not do this cross-level comparisons when applying the
    code of art. See?

    Thanks for your time,
    DMB

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