From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Mon Jan 20 2003 - 14:44:27 GMT
Hi Steve, DMB, All:
> Steve said:
> (Didn't we eventually agree that every person is a social pattern of value?
> Someone posted a quote (from Lila's child I think) to back this up. I
> haven't been able to find it.)
>
> DMB says:
> Some have asserted such a thing, but I've never seen anything to back it up
> and I strongly suspect there is no such quote. I'd like to challenge
> everyone who holds this view to back it up. (Quips like "last time I
> looked" are not persuasive in the least.)
Steve is right. From Dan Glover's correspondence with Robert Pirsig
came the following exchange:
PIRSIG:
Both "the genius" and the mentally retarded person are at the social
level.
GLOVER:
Could you elaborate on what you mean by being "at the social level"?
PIRSIG:
My statement that "Both 'the genius' and the mentally retarded person
are at the social level." is intended to refute the statement that "the
genius appears to be on a higher evolutionary level" A person who holds
an idea is a social entity, no matter what ideas he holds. The ideas he
holds are an intellectual entity, no matter who holds them.
That quashes DMB's theory that, "The whole point of making
distinctions between levels of static patterns is to demonstrate that
people are NOT at the same levels."
Actually, the difference between the social and intellectual levels is the
difference between outer groupthink (what everybody says) and inner
mindthink (what I say), both considered "subjective" in SOM and thus a
constant source of moral confusion.
Platt
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