Re: MD Making sense of it (levels)

From: Steve Peterson (speterson@fast.net)
Date: Mon Jan 20 2003 - 19:02:42 GMT

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    Platt,
     
    > PIRSIG:
    > Both "the genius" and the mentally retarded person are at the social
    > level.
    >
    > GLOVER:
    > Could you elaborate on what you mean by being "at the social level"?
    >
    > PIRSIG:
    > My statement that "Both 'the genius' and the mentally retarded person
    > are at the social level." is intended to refute the statement that "the
    > genius appears to be on a higher evolutionary level" A person who holds
    > an idea is a social entity, no matter what ideas he holds. The ideas he
    > holds are an intellectual entity, no matter who holds them.
    >
    > That quashes DMB's theory that, "The whole point of making
    > distinctions between levels of static patterns is to demonstrate that
    > people are NOT at the same levels."
    >
    > Actually, the difference between the social and intellectual levels is the
    > difference between outer groupthink (what everybody says) and inner
    > mindthink (what I say), both considered "subjective" in SOM and thus a
    > constant source of moral confusion.

    Steve:
    It's nice to know that Pirsig considers all people to be social entities,
    but it would be much more helpful to understand how he distinguishes a
    biological entity from a social entity and a social entity from an
    intellectual entity in general.

    Also, what do you think of Wim's formulation?

    Steve

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