From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Oct 28 2004 - 19:57:07 BST
Mel
Nice post, good to see thoughts with examples.
DM
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From: "ml" <mbtlehn@ix.netcom.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: MD On Faith
> Hello Platt:
> <snip
>> > <Platt Said:>
>> > "Pirsig describes faith as "a willingness to believe in falsehoods."
>> >
>> > He also says that it's "possible for more than one set of truths to
> exist."
>> >
>> > So how does he distinguish a truth from a falsehood?
>> >
>> > If, as he said, one should choose truth on the basis of its quality,
> like
>> > choosing paintings in a gallery, then truth becomes a matter of
>> > personal
>> > belief. And so, logically, do falsehoods.
>> >
>> > Perhaps someone will explain this apparent contradiction. Why is faith
> in
>> > what's true any different than faith in what's false?."
>> >
>
> mel:
> I wonder if the answer to the apparent contradiction
> is right in what you've shown above...
>
> statement two: ...more than one set of truths...as it implies
> as you've said "personal belief", but taken one step it may
> be that it applies to personal experience. You have faith
> in what you have experienced as real, as being true, and
> likewise each of us assume truth to our own experience of
> what is real in our lives.
>
> So, the false part comes in the inability to share another's
> "personal belief" as outgrowth of another's experience. If
> we ungraciously press our belief in lieu of discovery on
> another they are forced to bear a false "truth", because they
> have not attained it.
>
> put another way...a man who studies thought for decades
> and finds a flash of sustained dynamic clarity, a flood of
> quality in the structure of what he has prepared in his mind
> and which prepared him in experience, then for him there is
> immense high value. To a student decades later, the degraded
> and burdened extract as taught in a university department may
> be a low quality experience yielding naught.
>
> Similarly a guest at Ryoanji may drop through the entire world
> as everything becomes other than itself and undivided insight
> in Dynamic Quality brings everything together into just what it is.
> But to the woman in a Northeast dojo who feels violated by her
> fellow travelers will find in the resulant tradition a sham of no
> quality.
>
> A holy man in a mosque may dissappear into surrender and
> life bcomes purity, yet the later degraded madrasa of a distant
> student twists impressionable youth into worshipers of
> destruction, givers of pain.
>
> Endless possible examples of one gets it and there is no
> successful transfer to another's experience. The faith in one
> does not yeild truth in another...following the empty form will
> however bring falsehood.
>
> just a thought.
>
> thanks--mel
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