From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Mon Jan 20 2003 - 21:52:12 GMT
Dear Mari,
You wrote 21 Dec 2002 09:18:33 -0500:
'As agreement becomes wider spread the "social pattern of value" becomes
defined by agreement and hence the social level virtually comes into it's
own. How does this square with your take ... on "social level"?'
It squares fairly well with what I wrote 9 Feb 2002 19:56:28 +0100:
'Without competing social patterns of values, the intellectual
level is hardly distinguishable from the social level.
A social pattern of values is reproduced by people copying
behavior of other people over generations; its
static latch is reproduced behavior or "culture", "accumulated
ways to do things". Without win/lose interactions with external
entities (even if only with the predators an isolated
hunter/gatherer society meets in its natural environment) there
is no need for internal win/win interactions, no drive to
meticulously copy "ways of doing things" that have proven
conducive to survival.
An intellectual pattern of values is reproduced by people copying
motives from other people (their reasoning that is supposedly
"behind" consciously motivated actions); its static latch is
reproduced motives or "ideology" (in a non-derogatory sense),
"accumulated ways to justify actions". In a stable social pattern
of values without serious competitors nearly all behavior is
"normal" and needs no conscious justification. Motivation and
copying motives from others is unnecessary.'
You also wrote:
'I agree that MoQ "... should stay flexible, versatile and debatable to stay
alive." That said, doesn't there need to be agreement at times to elevate DQ
into practical action? Otherwise what good is it if all we do is present
good arguements and new definitions? The eloquence of the MoQdg is
captivating indeed but tell me Wim where does it all lead?'
Why should we agree to 'elevate DQ into practical action'? Not knowing
physical addresses of almost all MD-contributors (and those I know don't
live nearby), practical action will have to be individual. Why should our
interpretations of the MoQ be less individual?
How does the MoQ help you in your life? Where does it lead you? We could
exchange ways of applying our MoQ, but we don't need to agree on them to
apply it.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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