From: Erin (macavity11@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Nov 04 2004 - 23:46:09 GMT
no Arlo it wasn't in response to your email. I had written it before I even read your email. LOL, it is funny though because when I did read your email, I knew that you were going to think that. I put DMB's name because he has talked about this idea many times before with Platt. I think DMB is wrong about this split (don't agree with Platt either). I think this is what leads to DMB thinking that Lila doesn't exist on the intellectual level (which I don't agree with), even after Pirsig responded that he meant she wasn't an Intellectual when he wrote that she was nowhere (which I do agree with).
(Steve has already explained his thoughts on this too an alternative way to view the levels, which made sense to me but I can't think of how it was explained now so you can go to him for a explanation)
Yeah, I heard that Republicans were sending money to Nader. I thought it was funny when the Simpsons had him at a Republican meeting and said no, you have done enough for us this year, or something like that.
I just came across this book by Lakoff Moral Politics: How Conservatives and LIberals think-- I was going to ask what people thought, but after I read a website about it I can already guess a few people's responses....
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml
Erin
Arlo Bensinger <ajb102@psu.edu> wrote:
Erin,
At 12:04 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote:
> This set up of right = morals and left = no morals implication seems as
> oversimplistic as DMBs Democrats= intellectual level and Republicans =
> social level.
>Is freedom and respect for individual thought/rights/etc. really promoted
>when values is viewed through the lens of politics?
Just to clarify, if you were referring to my response to Platt, I would
never make the claim that **any** political party equals the intellectual
level. At the end of that post, I was quite clear that the democratic
platform needs to be criticized just as readily and with as much vigor when
it places the social level over the intellectual.
What I was referring to was the "ideological victories" of the right have
not been in using social-level values to restrict biological-level values,
they have been in using social-level values to restrict intellectual-level
values. Unless, of course, one conflates as Platt does the entire
intellectual level into "free financial markets". Both parties have been
guilty of this in the past, indeed, I have been quite vocal about false
dichotomy between the platforms of these parties (one=freedom, the
other=tyranny). It is this two party dichotomy that has all but removed
legitimate political discourse from the American landscape, and has
replaced it with a "my team is always right, yours is always wrong".
Like you, I have long supported third party candidates, primarily Green but
also Libertarian in many elections. I do not think we will have any viable
presidential candidate until we have a grass roots emergence of their
candidates. Sadly, in the two party dichotomy, whichever side is fractured
will always be out of power. That is, so long as any one side maintains
unity, the other side will always be out of power. This is precisely why it
was Republicans working in many states to get Nader on the ballots, i.e.,
they know Nader fractures the left and will thus keep them (the
Republicans) in power.
All in all, an aweful political landscape.
Arlo
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