From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Wed Jan 22 2003 - 12:39:47 GMT
Hi Joe,
> joe: I do not agree that "moral judgements" equal "instinctive response."
> I accept that an instinct can be trained to a more intense use, and there
> is instinctive memory, but an instinct reflecting on itself seems to
> require a subject and an object.
Pirsig makes it clear that moral judgments occur prior to any
"reflection." The hot stove example is a case in point.
"The low value that can be derived from sitting on a hot stove is
obviously an experience even though it is not an object and even though
it is not subjective. The low value comes first, then the subjective
thoughts that include such things as stove and heat and pain come
second. The value is the reality that brings the thoughts to mind." (7)
> joe: my objection still stands, you have not answered it. Such an
> instinctive sense so delineated demands deconstruction as does SOM.
I don't understand what you mean by the "instinctive sense demands
deconstruction as does SOM." The term "deconstruction" is a
postmodernist term whereby statements are examined to reveal their
underlying power base, usually attributed to Fascist white European
males.
Again, a quote from Pirsig confirms the instinctive moral sense:
"First you sense the high or low quality, then you find reasons for it, not
the other way around." (20)
We seem to be losing a common thread to our conversation and may
be on different wavelengths. I'm emphasizing the instinctive character of
morality. It's a key point of the MoQ.
Platt
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