From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Sat Nov 13 2004 - 05:39:20 GMT
Hi Chin,
Welcome to the group.
chin asked:
Is it pure truth we are seeking?
msh says:
I dunno about "we" but I'm interested in precisely the truth Pirsig
is getting at in the quote you offer. It seems clear to me that it
isn't necessary to deny the validity of scientific truth to arrive at
the truth beyond it. I think Pirsig would agree. This is why he's
claimed, numerous times, that the MOQ doesn't falsify SOM, but rather
encompasses it; and that in order to be a useful metaphysics, the MOQ
must be able to account for all scientific data.
That's my take, anyway. Whaddaya think?
Best,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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On 12 Nov 2004 at 23:32, PhaedrusWolf@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/12/04 9:51:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
markheyman@infoproconsulting.com writes:
And thanks for the moral support re my line of argument here. When I
first got involved with the list six months ago I was gung ho,
thinking everyone I met was really interested in discovering some MoQ
based consensus of "the truth." After numerous long discussions with
various people, discussions wherein it was obvious my point was made,
as my final arguments were left unanswered, I was dismayed to see the
same people, a few posts later, talking to someone new but starting
over spewing the same old shit. That's when I realized that most
folks here (there are exceptions and Scott is one of them) are
looking to promote one or another religious or political or anti-
intellectual agenda, and that their interest in "truth" is but a
convenient pose.
Hi msh,
Is it pure truth we are seeking?
From "Zen"
" ... Truth won, the Good lost, and that is why today we have so
little difficulty accepting the reality of truth and so much
difficulty accepting the reality of Quality, even though there is no
more agreement in one area than in the other.
... Phædrus remembered a line from Thoreau: "You never gain something
but that you lose something." And now he began to see for the first
time the unbelievable magnitude of what man, when he gained power to
understand and rule the world in terms of dialectic truths, had lost.
He had built empires of scientific capability to manipulate the
phenomena of nature into enormous manifestations of his own dreams of
power and wealth...but for this he had exchanged an empire of
understanding of equal magnitude: an understanding of what it is to
be a part of the world, and not an enemy of it. "
Chin
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