Re: MD People and Value in the MOQ

From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon Nov 22 2004 - 14:50:10 GMT

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    Hi DMB,

    With the exception of one post I'll send in a moment, I was wanting to shut up for a while. But this
    needed comment:

    > Lila's Child, Annotaion 130:
    > "The word "I" like the word "self" is one of the trickiest words in any
    > metaphysics. Sometimes it is an object, a human body; sometimes it is a
    > subject, a human mind. I believe there are number of philosophic systems,
    > notably Ayn Rand's "Objectivism," that call the "I" or "individual" the
    > central reality. Buddhists say it is an illusion. So do scientists. The MOQ
    > says it is a collection of static patterns capable of apprehending Dynamic
    > Quality. I think that if you identify the "I" with the intellect and nothing
    > else you are taking an unusual position that may need some defending."
    >
    > To which, Sam said:
    > In Ann 130 above he seems (to me) to be _contrasting_ the MoQ with Buddhism
    > and science, and says that the 'I' or the 'self' is "a collection of static
    > patterns capable of apprehending DQ". In other words, there is a "thing" (ie
    > pattern of value) which corresponds to what we mean by 'person'.
    >
    > dmb says:
    > CONTRASTING the MOQ with science and Buddhism?!? No. He's contrasting the
    > MOQ with Ayn Rand's Objectivism ....

    So, you are arguing that RMP's position (that the I is "a collection of static patterns capable of
    apprehending DQ") is the same as the Buddhists (the 'I' is an illusion), and therefore, logically,
    that "a collection of static patterns capable of apprehending DQ" is an illusion.

    Remarkable. As the man says, "you are taking an unusual position that may need some defending".

    I'm interested in your response to Erin's question, by the way.

    Sam

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