From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Nov 27 2004 - 03:10:14 GMT
Erin, Sam and all MOQers:
Sam said to dmb:
So, you are arguing that RMP's position (that the I is "a collection of
static patterns capable of apprehending DQ") is the same as the Buddhists
(the 'I' is an illusion), and therefore, logically, that "a collection of
static patterns capable of apprehending DQ" is an illusion. ...Remarkable.
As the man says, "you are taking an unusual position that may need some
defending".
dmb replies:
I'm trying hard to play nice, but I have to point out how disappointing it
is to address this point once again. Any way, for starters, we have a logic
problem. The self rejected by Buddhism is the Ayn Randian, SOM self, which
is different from the self as Pirsig sees it. Let us not forget that the MOQ
agrees with Buddhism in rejecting this "isolated ego" conception of the
self. And AS I'VE ALRREADY POINTED OUT SEVERAL TIMES, you seem to be taking
the word "illusion" to mean hallucinatory or entirely unreal. But this is
actually just a rejection of the little self, AS THE CENTRAL REALITY. That's
the illusion, see?
Sam also said:
I'm interested in your response to Erin's question, by the way...
Erin asked:
How do you reconcile your interpretation of Pirsig's interpretation of Lila
with this...."A person who holds an idea is a social entity, no matter what
ideas he holds. The ideas he holds are an intellectual entity, no matter who
holds them."
DMB had said:
Pirsig says she does and does NOT have quality at the same time. She has
biological quality, even if that's starting to fade, but she has no
intellectual quality and is socially pretty far down the scale.
dmb says:
What is it that needs to be reconciled? And by the way, those comments about
Lila are Pirsig's too, as I'm sure you recall, you old grudge-holder, you.
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