From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@kohath.wanadoo.co.uk)
Date: Fri Dec 03 2004 - 09:21:33 GMT
Hi Chin,
Catching up on some old posts. We were talking about Lila.
> I must agree with your thinking, but I still see it as a sellout. By
> conforming to everyone else's realities, it would seem you limit your creative
> talents in understanding, or becoming enlightened to DQ. I do however agree that
> DQ can only be stacked upon SQ, and as DQ is discovered, it still does not
> eliminate SQ unless it is in contrast to a static pattern that turns out to be
> inadequate.
>
> Are you saying that Lila would be better off not turning her back on SQ
> until she fully understood it to the point it is no longer a force in her life
> that she has to contend with? Do you really think they can keep them down on the
> farm after they have seen Paris? :o)
I think that - astonishing as it might sound, as I normally disagree with him so much - DMB got this
right in his post of 22nd November in this thread. "She needs some static patterns to encase her
freedom, he says. She needs to get a life, a job and cash a paycheck. She needs the rituals of daily
life rather than this unanchored drifting." Those things which seem so mundane to us were in all
probability life-giving to her.
> How does the Protestant culture fit into this idolizing of the Dynamic?
Are you familiar with the phrase 'adrenaline junkie'? Someone who has such a rush from a particular
experience (bungee jumping or whatever) that they continue to seek out that rush doing more and more
exotic exercises. The Lutheran revolution was a huge DQ step forward from a corrupt and suffocating
set of SQ patterns, but I believe there are certain historical inheritances from that period which
are no longer DQ, but have in fact become their own form of SQ, principally the assumption that the
established church is anti-DQ. As I see it there is an element in Protestant derived cultures which
causes hostility to SQ patterns, especially ones associated with a hierarchy. I think this is a
large part of the fuel for a 'free market', it underlies a lot of the US ideology, and it
particularly shows itself in discussions about the role of the church establishment. The problem is
that without SQ you degenerate, and I think that has happened in certain circumstances - you could
say that the drug problem is one of the fallouts from this approach (after all, it is unadulterated
DQ as some would see it). I think Pirsig calls this problem quite well when he's writing about the
hippies.
But then again, maybe I'm just interpreting things through conservative spectacles...
Cheers
Sam
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