Re: MD Pirsig an artist - MoQ & love

From: Valence (valence10@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Jan 26 2003 - 03:11:16 GMT

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    Thanks for the kind words Platt.

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    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 7:19 AM
    Subject: Re: MD Pirsig an artist - MoQ & love

    > Hi Rick:
    >
    > I fully agree with your take on love in the MoQ. Thanks for sharing.
    >
    > Platt
    >
    > > RICK
    > > I do. My thesis is this: Love is a species of value.
    > >
    > > PIRSIG
    > > In the [MoQ] "causation" is a metaphysical term that can be replaced by
    > > "value." To say that "A *causes* B" or to say that "B *values*
    > > precondition A" is to say the same thing [LILA ch 8 p119].
    > >
    > > RICK
    > > So what would be the difference between saying "B *values*
    precondition
    > > A" and "B *loves* precondition A"? To me it sounds though the
    difference
    > > is one of intensity. Maybe "love" is the label applied to the
    > > relationships with the patterns we value most intensely.
    > > We hear people speak of love for life and health, friends and
    family,
    > > art and music... Some people love their jobs, some people love
    philosophy.
    > > We love our mates in dozens of ways. There are so many things we speak
    of
    > > loving, but I think that in almost all the meanings of the word "love"
    the
    > > bottom line, in MoQ terms, is revealed to be the intensity of the value
    > > being fulfilled (this would also explain the often noted relationship of
    > > "love" and the equally intensive "hate").
    > > By this explanation of Love, we really can see Love at work in all
    > > levels of the MoQ. Since all patterns at all levels value things, they
    can
    > > love as well.
    >
    >
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