From: Matthew Stone (mattstone_2000@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon Jan 27 2003 - 14:27:31 GMT
--- John Howard <john66@attbi.com> wrote: > >RICK
> > So what would be the difference between saying
> "B *values* precondition
> >A" and "B *loves* precondition A"? To me it sounds
> though the difference
> is
> >one of intensity. Maybe "love" is the label
> applied to the relationships
> >with the patterns we value most intensely.
>
> Right! I remember this part, he was saying that "A
> causes B" is "B values
> precondition A", and I agree "love" fits in here
> very well, virtually
> synonomously. I'd also say that B is what is
> expected given precondition A,
> and love is the will to do what is expected.
>
> > By this explanation of Love, we really can see
> Love at work in all
> >levels of the MoQ. Since all patterns at all
> levels value things, they can
> >love as well.
>
> Yeah, anything doing what is expected is loving.
> Water turning to steam
> when it is boiled is loving, a very faithful and
> unwaveringly strong love.
> If we expect a rock to fall on our foot, it is love
> that carries out our
> expectaion and actually makes the rock fall on your
> foot. (It's not
> "gravity", or "electromagnetism" - it is love)
I say:
I disagree. If love is synonymous with value, why use
the term love at all? And asserting this synonimity
doesn't really go far towards explaining how love, as
human phenomenon (whether social or biological) fits
into the MoQ. If person A loves person B, and you say
this merely means there is a pattern of value whereby
person A values person B, this doesn't really explain
love as a value (pattern) in the general sense. Yes,
it depicts a small, distinct pattern of value between
the 2 people, but, as I said, it doesn't explain love
in a broad sense. It only explains love as in
'loving', as a verb, not as the noun form that John
Lennon sang about.
My view is that one can understand this by using
Pirsig's emphasis on evolution. A stable prosperous
society is made so in part by love. *Biologically*,
we have evolved to become vulnerable to love. So what
I'm saying is that suceptibility to love is just a
small part of the biological patterns that make
people: this creates the notion of love as a grand,
metaphysical force. And when you do fall in love, you
create a small value relation - but this is all it is.
Matt.
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