Re: MD The MOQ and Mysticism 101

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Wed Jan 05 2005 - 11:30:51 GMT

  • Next message: Ian Glendinning: "Re: MD "Is there anything out there?""

    Paul,

    As you say we agree.
    (Apart from the semantics of the words we choose to use, including banana in
    this case.)

    Ian
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Paul Turner" <paul@turnerbc.co.uk>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:34 PM
    Subject: RE: MD The MOQ and Mysticism 101

    > Hi Ian
    >
    > Paul asks
    > "Are there non-SOMist things-in-themselves? What could they possibly
    > be?"
    >
    > Marsha answered that already - "Processes"
    >
    > Paul:
    > Processes aren't things though are they? You'll say semantics but what's
    > the point of philosophy if we happily dismiss confusion of our basic
    > terms as 'semantics'?
    >
    > Ian said:
    > I say Relationships, which SOMists would characterise as cause / effect
    > between subjects and objects, but which we model as DQ.
    >
    > Paul:
    > I think relationships are static patterns because they can be precisely
    > defined.
    >
    > Ian said:
    > Processes / Dynamic Relationships - choose your preferred term, bananas
    > maybe.
    >
    > Paul:
    > As I said, I think relationships are static.
    >
    > Hey, why don't you knock up the metaphysics of bananas, Ian? Reality
    > from the outside feels quite hard and tastes unappetising, but peel away
    > the exterior and it is all soft and fruity. I like it.
    >
    > Ian said:
    > The Kantian ding-an-sich doesn't exist.
    > Things (like bananas) exist though - to disagree would be Nihilism - no
    > ?
    >
    > Paul:
    > The experiences which we refer to as 'banana' are indeed real. I avoid
    > nihilism by asserting that value exists, and that everybody knows what
    > it is.
    >
    > Regards
    >
    > Paul
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
    > Mail Archives:
    > Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
    > Nov '02 Onward -
    http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
    > MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
    >
    > To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
    > http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
    >

    MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
    Mail Archives:
    Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
    Nov '02 Onward - http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
    MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net

    To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
    http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html

    This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Wed Jan 05 2005 - 12:24:16 GMT