Re: MD "Is there anything out there?"

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Wed Jan 05 2005 - 12:31:10 GMT

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    Mark,

    You said "But this apparent symmetry between math and physical reality may
    just be a result of the fact that we, i.e. our minds, are an inseparable
    part of the phenomena we are trying to describe."

    Absolutely (with apologies to Platt), and there is no "just" about it.
    It was this thought that humbled Schroedinger, Heisenberg and Einstein,
    amonst others.
    Scientists found the objectivity of their edifice blown away for good.

    I'll quote that poem again if I may ..
    http://www.psybertron.org/2002/12/too-blue-for-logic.html
    [Quote]
    My axioms were so clean-hewn,
    The joins of 'thus' and 'therefore' neat
    But, I admit
    Life would not fit
    Between straight lines
    And all the cornflowers said was 'blue,'
    All summer long, so blue.
    So when the sea came in and with one wave
    Threatened to wash my edifice away -
    I let it.
    [Unquote]
    by Marianne Jones

    Still relevent and even more poignant after the Indian Ocean Tsumani I feel.

    Ian
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Mark Steven Heyman" <markheyman@infoproconsulting.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:12 PM
    Subject: RE: MD "Is there anything out there?"

    > Hi Platt, (Paul, et al)
    >
    > On 4 Jan 2005 at 8:53, Platt Holden wrote:
    >
    > Thanks for explaining the connection between "imaginary numbers" and
    > "empirical reality." A most interesting explication.
    >
    > msh:
    > Glad you find it interesting. I do too, but I would add, as I did to
    > Rich in another post, that I'm not suggesting that these
    > equations somehow prove that God exists and that she's a
    > mathematician. My point is that the correlation between math and
    > physical reality appears to be more than just measuring things, then
    > tweaking equations, then measuring, then tweaking until the equations
    > become useful. Sometimes, as in this case, the equations come before
    > any measuring is even possible: Einstein predicting the warp of light
    > as it passes through gravitational fields, for example.
    >
    > But this apparent symmetry between math and physical reality may just
    > be a result of the fact that we, i.e. our minds, are an inseparable
    > part of the phenomena we are trying to describe. I don't know...
    >
    > Anyway, I have a friend who's a math genius (Ph.D. at 23, a real
    > freak); I'll see what he thinks about this and let you know.
    >
    > Best for the New Year,
    > Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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