Re: MD The MOQ and Mysticism 101

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Fri Jan 14 2005 - 18:06:20 GMT

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    Aha, magic ..

    Ian - is mysticism just that which is not yet explained ?
    Platt - Yes
    DMB - No

    Personally I think the real issue is not *whether* something is explained or
    explicable, but *how* one believes it is / might be explained.
    ie Entirely subjective (if I'm allowed to use that term).
    Choice in the eye of the beholder.

    QED
    Ian
    ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>; <owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk>
    > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:23 PM
    > Subject: Re: MD The MOQ and Mysticism 101
    >
    >
    > > Ian:
    > >
    > > > Platt ...
    > > >
    > > > Ad hominem attacks ???
    > > > This mail today ""As ususal DMB has ... all wrong"
    > > > Other mail today "The way DMB describes .... etc"
    > > > Pot & kettle perhaps ... ?
    > > > Truce - however, since you're clearly in playful mood ...
    > >
    > > Yes, mea culpa. Thanks for pointing it out. I'll try to do better.
    > >
    > > > Perhaps I could glean a clue or two about inuition and mysticism.
    > > > I still genuinely feel mysticism is just a pejorative label for
    > something
    > > > fairly straightforward.
    > > >
    > > > I'm happy with the idea of "pre-cognitive" knowledge ("affective" no
    ?)
    > > > Something believed, felt, "known" ahead of conceptualising any
    rational
    > or
    > > > empirical perceptual inputs. Is this stuff "not yet rationally
    > explained"
    > > > and/or "not yet experienced through the 5 external senses" all people
    > mean
    > > > by mysticism ?
    > >
    > > Yes, I think that's what mysticism means, "understanding without
    > > knowledge." In other words, intuition. But there are those who say it
    > > means some sort of life changing "born again" experience where suddenly
    > > Reality with a capital R is revealed. I can't deny it because I've never
    > > had such an experience, but then again, I can't deny near death
    > > experiences or being abducted by a UFO.
    > >
    > > That's what arouses my suspicions about the revelation of mystics that
    > > "All is One" or "Everything is interrelated." After all, ordinary
    everyday
    > > thought requires universals like that. For example, there must be the
    > > concept of One for there to be many. Our sense perceive particulars in
    > > time and place, but in order for us to have knowledge of them, we
    require
    > > universals such as colors, species, types, qualities, general ideas,
    > > properties, classes and relations. These universals are independent of
    > > perception and cannot be located in space and time. They are not part of
    > > the observed world. You might call them "mystical" or Platonic. But they
    > > are a necessary framework for human thought. So a revelation like "All
    is
    > > One" tends not only to be redundant, but a necessity if we are to think
    at
    > > all.
    > >
    > > What do you think?
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Platt
    > >
    > >
    > >
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