From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri Jan 21 2005 - 18:06:03 GMT
On 20 January 2004 3:46 PM Chin writes to Joe,
[Joe] IMO analogues for evolution are gravity (inorganic), purpose
(organic), existence (social order), creation (intellectual, unfinished
s/o).
[Joe] How an evolutionary analogy is pertinent from the inorganic order is
not a static description. Timeless 'operations' (evolution is in time, but
the analogy is timeless) sustain the analogy of dynamic/static quality. IMO
'description' is a word of time, and does not capture the word 'intellect'.
[Chin] May I ask, when you are speaking in terms of analogy, are you
speaking in a philosophical sense as to how philosophies are related? - or
have you been
studying Socrates maybe(?) - or maybe relating more to artistic analogy and
the idea that concepts cannot be fully understood by words?
[Chin] How would you tie this Analogy to Quality?
Hi Chin and all,
Philosophies are analogous. This is a meaningful sentence.
I read George Gurdjieff's All and Everything. He used a phrase "The
instinctive sensing of reality!" which I thought make sense. He saw three
forces, mind, heart, and body emerging from matter by a special act. Each of
these were also divided into three. The forces of the body were named
instinct, moving, sex. I then read Pirsig's books. It seemed to me they had
similar formulations of three in one.
I have stopped using the sentence 'The instinctive sensing of reality' since
it seems to imply an 'instinctive organ' which we use, rather than merely
stating 'I sense reality'. I use mystical experience and analogy to describe
how I sense reality. I like the word 'mystic' which is based on the Greek
word 'mystes' which means 'an initiate'.
I keep in mind that I cannot hit a 95 mph fastball, and others have trained
themselves to be able. History is full of special training to do things,
e.g. Olympics, monasteries, schools. I accept I can learn, and I can change.
IMO the mystical and its expression, analogy, are the mechanisms.
Tying analogy to quality describes: "I experience dynamic quality." Quality
is experienced and undefined.
I like Mark Maxwell's The Edge of Chaos on moq.org as 'the sweet spot' of
artistic analogy. Words as sq patterns reflect a connection and tension to
dq from which they are latched. With training the 'tension' in the patterns
is explored and manifested.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Winchester" < >
To: < >
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: MD Logic, Analogy, Metaphor
> Joe;
> If there is a process in my thoughts about analogy, evolution, I would not
> use the word 'description' as key.
>
> IMO analogues for evolution are gravity (inorganic), purpose (organic),
> existence (social order), creation (intellectual, unfinished s/o).
>
> How an evolutionary analogy is pertinent from the inorganic order is not a
> static description. Timeless 'operations' (evolution is in time, but the
> analogy is timeless) sustain the analogy of dynamic/static quality. IMO
> 'description' is a word of time, and does not capture the word
> 'intellect'.
>
> Wolff;
> Very good.
>
> May I ask, when you are speaking in terms of analogy, are you speaking in
> a philosophical sense as to how philosophies are related? - or have you
> been studying Socrates maybe(?) - or maybe relating more to artistic
> analogy and the idea that concepts cannot be fully understood by words?
>
> How would you tie this Analogy to Quality?
>
> Chin
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