Re: MD Logic, Analogy, Metaphor

From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri Jan 21 2005 - 18:06:03 GMT

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    On 20 January 2004 3:46 PM Chin writes to Joe,

    [Joe] IMO analogues for evolution are gravity (inorganic), purpose
    (organic), existence (social order), creation (intellectual, unfinished
    s/o).

    [Joe] How an evolutionary analogy is pertinent from the inorganic order is
    not a static description. Timeless 'operations' (evolution is in time, but
    the analogy is timeless) sustain the analogy of dynamic/static quality. IMO
    'description' is a word of time, and does not capture the word 'intellect'.

    [Chin] May I ask, when you are speaking in terms of analogy, are you
    speaking in a philosophical sense as to how philosophies are related? - or
    have you been
    studying Socrates maybe(?) - or maybe relating more to artistic analogy and
    the idea that concepts cannot be fully understood by words?

    [Chin] How would you tie this Analogy to Quality?

    Hi Chin and all,

    Philosophies are analogous. This is a meaningful sentence.

    I read George Gurdjieff's All and Everything. He used a phrase "The
    instinctive sensing of reality!" which I thought make sense. He saw three
    forces, mind, heart, and body emerging from matter by a special act. Each of
    these were also divided into three. The forces of the body were named
    instinct, moving, sex. I then read Pirsig's books. It seemed to me they had
    similar formulations of three in one.

    I have stopped using the sentence 'The instinctive sensing of reality' since
    it seems to imply an 'instinctive organ' which we use, rather than merely
    stating 'I sense reality'. I use mystical experience and analogy to describe
    how I sense reality. I like the word 'mystic' which is based on the Greek
    word 'mystes' which means 'an initiate'.

    I keep in mind that I cannot hit a 95 mph fastball, and others have trained
    themselves to be able. History is full of special training to do things,
    e.g. Olympics, monasteries, schools. I accept I can learn, and I can change.
    IMO the mystical and its expression, analogy, are the mechanisms.

    Tying analogy to quality describes: "I experience dynamic quality." Quality
    is experienced and undefined.

    I like Mark Maxwell's The Edge of Chaos on moq.org as 'the sweet spot' of
    artistic analogy. Words as sq patterns reflect a connection and tension to
    dq from which they are latched. With training the 'tension' in the patterns
    is explored and manifested.

    Joe

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Ron Winchester" < >
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    Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:27 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Logic, Analogy, Metaphor

    > Joe;
    > If there is a process in my thoughts about analogy, evolution, I would not
    > use the word 'description' as key.
    >
    > IMO analogues for evolution are gravity (inorganic), purpose (organic),
    > existence (social order), creation (intellectual, unfinished s/o).
    >
    > How an evolutionary analogy is pertinent from the inorganic order is not a
    > static description. Timeless 'operations' (evolution is in time, but the
    > analogy is timeless) sustain the analogy of dynamic/static quality. IMO
    > 'description' is a word of time, and does not capture the word
    > 'intellect'.
    >
    > Wolff;
    > Very good.
    >
    > May I ask, when you are speaking in terms of analogy, are you speaking in
    > a philosophical sense as to how philosophies are related? - or have you
    > been studying Socrates maybe(?) - or maybe relating more to artistic
    > analogy and the idea that concepts cannot be fully understood by words?
    >
    > How would you tie this Analogy to Quality?
    >
    > Chin

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