From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Thu Jan 27 2005 - 22:15:35 GMT
On 24 Jan 2005 at 11:51, Platt Holden wrote:
<snip msh list of US crimes against humanity>
platt:
So all these Presidents and all the people who supported them were
wrong.
msh says:
Well, not if you've decided that your leaders are always right, by
definition; that they always tell the truth, and always act with
nothing but benevolent intentions. But I don't see how you can
believe this, and still make a stink about social assistance programs
and taxes.
Also, you seem to be in favor of your government invading other
countries to establish "democracy," so why would you think it's right
for your government to overthrow democratic governments and replace
them with brutal dictatorships? Cognitive dissonance, anyone?
platt:
Am I correct to assume you take pride in thinking of yourself
as being like Pirsig's brujo, and are out to change the world for the
better?
msh says:
I'm no brujo; I claim no mystical powers whatsoever. The
enlightenment I speak of can be attained by anyone willing to do a
little reading and thinking...
msh before:
Every once in a while, however, someone does take the time to verify
the crimes mentioned and, when they do, they experience an
irreversible paradigm shift in their understanding of power in the
world. This shift is a Quality latch-up, and when enough
co-existent organisms have completed the shift, the species as a
whole takes another step toward Quality.
platt:
To believe that to order a soldier and his gun to fight against crime
is itself a crime is to have an upside down view of reality which
I'm happy to say Pirsig doesn't.
msh asks:
What crime was committed by the people of Afghanistan and Iraq, other
than being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Suppose Tim McVeigh
hadn't been caught, but instead fled to Idaho. Would your government
have been justified in bombing Idaho?
More generally, how does your theory of soldiers and guns apply when
the criminals are the politicians who send the soldiers?
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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