From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Jan 28 2005 - 13:52:48 GMT
MSH:
> platt:
> Am I correct to assume you take pride in thinking of yourself
> as being like Pirsig's brujo, and are out to change the world for the
> better?
> msh says:
> I'm no brujo; I claim no mystical powers whatsoever. The
> enlightenment I speak of can be attained by anyone willing to do a
> little reading and thinking...
I see. If one doesn't agree with your notion of enlightenment they are by
definition non-readers and non-thinkers. Cognitive dissonance, anyone?
> msh before:
> Every once in a while, however, someone does take the time to verify
> the crimes mentioned and, when they do, they experience an
> irreversible paradigm shift in their understanding of power in the
> world. This shift is a Quality latch-up, and when enough
> co-existent organisms have completed the shift, the species as a
> whole takes another step toward Quality.
How do you "verify" the crimes mentioned? Were you there?
As for power in the world, I have yet to see your blueprint of a better
world that doesn't require power.
> platt:
> To believe that to order a soldier and his gun to fight against crime
> is itself a crime is to have an upside down view of reality which
> I'm happy to say Pirsig doesn't.
> msh asks:
> What crime was committed by the people of Afghanistan and Iraq, other than
> being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Suppose Tim McVeigh hadn't
> been caught, but instead fled to Idaho. Would your government have been
> justified in bombing Idaho?
The liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq was not to find and punish those
who blew up the twin towers who, as you may have forgotten, blew
themselves up in the process. So your comparison to McVeigh is a non
sequitur. Cognitive dissonance, anyone?
> More generally, how does your theory of soldiers and guns apply when
> the criminals are the politicians who send the soldiers?
I see. The people of the U.S. who elect their leaders are not only stupid,
but accessories to crime. Cognitive dissonance, anyone?
Platt
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