From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sun Feb 06 2005 - 03:01:05 GMT
Marsha, Matt, Sam, Scott and all weavers using this thread:
dmb said to Matt:
If I follow you here, if Pirsig is to be consistently pragmatic he's gonna
have to let loose some of his ideas. Hmmm. Let me guess which one is at the
top of your list. Does it have anything to do with pure experience, a
mystical experience and its validity?...
Marsha
Could it be Faith? Is that what is problematic about MOQ? That there is
no room for faith in the existence of God?
dmb replies:
Some of these guys have been around for a while and the history of postings
has led me to conclude that Matt rejects philosophical mysticism in order to
maintain a kind of atheistic materialism, a kind of secular common sense.
Sam rejects the same thing to maintain the opposite view, a kind of theistic
traditionalism, a kind of religious common sense. They make odd bedfellows,
but join forces in their attempts to defeat philosophical mysticism. I'm
honestly not sure what Scott is doing. He seems to be interested in
defeating the MOQ by quoting Pirsig's SUPPORTERS. Sometimes he looks like
he's defending the faith and sometimes he looks every bit as nihilistic as
Matt.
Sorry for talking about you in the third person guys. Sometimes it just gets
too complicated to do it any other way...
In any case, each of them seems to be motivated by a desire to tinker with
the MOQ until they get a version of the MOQ that looks like whatever
hobbyhorse they brought with them. I like to call it epistemological
narcissism and I also subscribe to it. This view asserts that truth consists
in whatever reflects well on me and my choices and my beliefs. This view
asserts that Goodness is essentially whatever works for me and that the
validity of any particular philosophy rests upon how flattering it is to my
self-image. And since the dissolution of the ego and letting go of
intellectual prejudices are so central to mysticism, you can imagine what
horror it is to also be an epistemological narcissist! ;-)
OK. That's a bit cruel, but hopefully you see the point of this rather
pointed point.
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