From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Mar 18 2005 - 07:32:33 GMT
Chanting monks ? Is that Carl Orff and Carmin Burana you're referring
to. Pretty lewd stuff I seem to recall.
Seriously though, we also tend to forget that Pirsig was schizophrenic
and held quite contradictory and inconsistent views about these
things. Hippies were breaking the mould and veering towards anarchy
and "anti-establishment" immoratlity as their reason for existence -
Pirsig was plotting a credible way out the other side, so naturally he
dissciated himslef from hippie excesses, despite being a hippie at
heart. You have to break eggs to make omlettes. Hippes were breaking
eggs, Pirsig was creating a recipe. Both essential.
Ian
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:14:38 -0500 (EST), Arlo J. Bensinger
<ajb102@psu.edu> wrote:
> [Platt wrote:]
> > And I'll show you a clueless dude who completely ignores what Pirsig had
> > to say about degenerates, hippies, trippies and flower children..
>
> And yet made a point to write about his experience picking up a bar tramp, and
> describing his "whoring" in a book on metaphysics. He drank beer on rest stops
> when he was driving cross country on the cycle in ZMM. And wasn't there
> something about peyote induced hallucinogenic experiencs? He couldn't have been
> quite the prude you want to believe he was(is).
>
> "hippies, trippies and flower children"... that makes me laugh!...
>
> so what about toby keith, platt? i hear he sings a good
> america-is-a-butt-kickin'-country set? and charlie daniels? is he a trippie
> degenerate? i mean, i can see how your establishment-lovin' feathers would be
> ruffled by the clash or the ramones, and i can see how sex singin' groups like
> the bee gees and elvis presley can get your prudish victorian sentimentality
> all in a stir... but what about ol' bob segar or hank sr. and bocephus? are
> they signs of the end of civilization as well?
>
> frank sinatra? talk about getting the ol' sex drive going! how many young,
> nubile teens lost their way because the chairman crooned them into it? is
> sinatra one of your hippie trippie flower children responsible for the decay of
> the nation? and peggy lee... don't even get me started... sinatra and miss lee
> are responsible for more sin! sin!! SIN!!! than those dang ol' clash guys will
> ever be.
>
> and what about enya? does she count? just between you and me, i know more people
> who've 'gotten down' to enya than to the sex pistols... and while i was
> laughing a while back from the see-how-old-and-outoftouch-i-am comment about
> ravel's bolero, i fondly remembered my college days and a 'friend' with an,
> ahem, 'love' of bach's "die kunst der fuge", beethoven's eroica and that monk
> chanting cd that was popular back then... i still can't listening to them
> without smiling... and i bet a lot of people got their sexual desires revved
> and going to mozart back in his day too... indeed, i understand ol' amadeus had
> his share of groupies...
>
> and i can tell you one final thing... i bet a lot more people are having sex to
> mozart right now, tonight, in the good ol' u.s. of a. than the ramones or the
> clash... or even, god forbid, toby keith.
>
> Arlo
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