From: Joseph Maurer (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon Apr 18 2005 - 18:22:23 BST
On 17 April 2005 7:47 AM Platt answers Joe:
> Hi Joe,
>
>> When I awakened this morning, a part of my routine began to annoy me.
>> That
>> part when I ponder: "I want to strive from the beginning of my existence
>> to
>> pay for my arising and my individuality as quickly as possible." I will
>> ask
>> Platt to enlighten me what is the metaphysical basis of 'payment'? Is it
>> a
>> law like the law of gravity? It certainly seems to make things run
>> smoother. Is it just a convention? Since Pirsig uses 'value' as an
>> argument, I do not think I am off-base with that question. Does payment
>> cross levels, and what is the coin? Payment as the analogue: "Take that
>> to
>> the bank",.
Hi Platt, Marsha,
> "Payment" is a social level convention required by the law that "There
> ain't no free lunch." We must work to provide the goods and services
> required for our survival. By division of labor we're able to accomplish
> much more than if each of us had to do everything alone to ensure our
> survival. This brings about exchanges of goods and services which
> constitute payments. Money is used as a more convenient medium of exchange
> than payment in actual goods or services. "Take that to the bank" is an
> expression of trust because banks are thought to be places where you can
> safely store surplus money.
>
> Pirsig makes the point that values are empirical because every time we
> make a payment for goods or services, we express a value.
> snip>
The law "There ain't no free lunch" is an intellectual formulation for a
social level convention. What of the law: "You get nothing for nothing, and
damn little for two sense?" A bank is an intellectual institution. Is trust
in a safe place to store surplus money in the faith family? Pay attention!
"NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS Take that to the bank, cash it and take it on
a vacation outta my fucking life." Happily! I can't find the bank the check
was drawn on. Shit! I am still cringing! Metaphysical payment!
Pay attention! Something is confusing me. In the example of the cart,
payment is grease between two moving solids. What is the grease which makes
DQ to SQ smooth? If payment is necessary for everything does it apply only
in the social level and only as an analogy in the other levels, a mystic
connection?
Value is the payment for value! It seems payment is metaphysical. A check
drawn on my consciousness. I work to have value in my bank! I am a stingy
bastard! Maybe that is what Bill Hicks was saying. Or was he saying I can't
take it any more? I am broke?
Bye Marsha!
Joe
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