From: Ant McWatt (antmcwatt@hotmail.co.uk)
Date: Sat Apr 30 2005 - 14:03:22 BST
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Ant McWatt comments:
I don’t see why a pragmatist philosophy would need even any justification to
discuss any political issue. For instance, I think what Platt writes about
is largely regurgitated pernicious Fox propaganda but at least he still
realises that politics is closely related to the important political values
analysed by philosophy. It was a noble ideal in Socrates’ time that
political leaders would be more wise and just if they thoroughly studied the
Good and intellectual values such as truth and justice and it remains so now
– probably even more so because people like Bush and Blair are not just in
charge of small city states but nations with significant global effects. I
think I suggested once that people should send their local senator or Member
of Parliament a copy of ZMM or LILA, I still think they should.
The attempt to deny the close relationship between philosophy and politics
is a misguided project to re-define philosophy on MOQ Discuss to make it an
insipid talking shop of the Anglo-American (whitish) middle classes. If you
don’t like Plato’s understanding of it or think Pirsig’s pragmatist project
of improving the American legal system is a non-starter, then maybe you
should consider joining some other Discussion group looking at
post-modernism or some other ostrich creating ideology.
Mark Heyman stated April 29th:
But I'm not picking on Nixon alone. If they were tried under the rules of
Nuremberg,
every American president since the end of WWII would be hanged...
Platt commented April 29th:
That's an idea of such low quality it requires no response.
Ant McWatt comments:
I have to say that on face value that I can’t believe that EVERY American
president since the end of WWII would be hanged if (fairly) tried under the
rules of Nuremberg but I’d certainly be open to the arguments and evidence
surrounding such a claim. Moreover, would the same be true of every British
prime minister (even Harold Wilson who didn’t support the Vietnam war) since
WWII?
Mark Heyman continued April 29th:
To anyone interested, I'll be happy to provide historical evidence
and argument in support of the claim that, if they were tried under
the rules of Nuremberg, every American president since the end of
WWII would be hanged.
Or, here's a link or two to get you started in your own
investigation:
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20041217.htm
http://www.chomsky.info/talks/1990----.htm
But don't take Chomsky's word for it. Track down the history and
prove it to yourself. Or, if you do some investigation and don't
agree, I'll be happy to talk about it here.
Ant McWatt comments:
Great. I’m looking forward to this Mark.
Best wishes,
Anthony.
“I love talking about the Kennedy assassination. The reason I do is because
I'm fascinated by it. I'm fascinated that our government could lie to us so
blatantly, so obviously for so long, and we do absolutely nothing about it.
I think that's interesting in what is ostensibly a democracy.
Sarcasm? - come on in.
People say ‘Bill, quit talking about Kennedy man. It was a long time ago,
just let it go? It was a long time ago, just forget it.’
I'm like, alright, then don't bring up Jesus to me. As long as we're talking
shelf life here...” (Bill Hicks, Dominion Theatre, London 1992)
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