Re: MD Quality and the Nuremberg-Tokyo Tribunals

From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Sat Apr 30 2005 - 21:28:12 BST

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    On 1 May 2005 at 0:26, ian glendinning wrote:

    But invoking historical "facts" from the macro-level of outcomes to
    support the arguments is less use than a chocolate fireguard, on an
    ashtray, on tits on a bull on a motorcycle, (if I may mix my
    metaphors). Why because those arguments are ALWAYS tainted (nay
    distorted) by the politics of the proponent, in ways that bear no
    significant causal relation to the philosophy being discussed. None
    whatsoever.

    msh says:
    Why the scare quotes around facts? It is a documented fact that the
    Carter administration, among many others, supported the Indonesian
    invasion of East Timor, and acted to prevent the UN from taking any
    effective measures against the invaders. No one denies this. Daniel
    Patrick Moynihan, Washington's UN Ambassador in 1978, even braggs
    about his success in this regard. Therefore, the USG (the Carter
    Administration 77-81) materially conspired with Indonesia in it's
    aggression against East Timor, which locks in at least Counts 1 and 2
    of the Nuremberg indictment.

    Where is this simple argument distorted by my politics?

    Now it may be that Carter himself had no knowledge of this, and maybe
    Arlo will provide some facts to support this idea. In which case I
    might be obliged to exclude Carter from my list. Such a debate is
    anything but useless, IMO.

    ian, from another post:
    Thanks Platt for proving my point ...

    Ant said
    regurgitated pernicious Fox propaganda

    Platt said
    regurgitated pernicious BBC propaganda

    Now tell me which of those statements is not 99.99% a generalised
    reflection of the writer's politics, and negligibly related to any
    particular outcome of any particular decision made by any particular
    human using any particular philosophy.

    msh says:
    These are statements of opinion, not fact or argument. A little
    harmless name-calling. I don't see how they prove your point but,
    then, I'm not sure I understand your point. My fault, maybe.

    Thanks,
    Mark Steven Heyman (msh) 

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