From: Johannes Volmert (jvolmert@student.uni-kassel.de)
Date: Thu Jun 16 2005 - 11:53:27 BST
Hi Allen,
you are, as you seem to know already, not the first one to discuss with
Bo his ideas (SOLAQI etc.) und you sure will not be the last one. Some
of the people who did so in the past are still around, but stay away
from that argument, normally.
But there is no reason to get upset about Bo. Don't make a personal
thing out of it. As you can see, Bo himself stays calm and friendly and
is by the way (with at least one minor exception: "Don't mention the
war!" ;-)) ) a very appreciated member of this discussion forum.
Nevertheless, your arguments seem to be valid and right to the point,
but that isn't any help sometimes!
Greetings, JoVo
PS.: I would appreciate it, if you could make quotations more visible.
Thanks!
Allen Barrows wrote:
>Hi Allen
>
>Seriously Allen, some of us have been at this discussion for ages
>and been through every possible and impossible angle to the
>MOQ, then to start again with newcomers from rock bottom is too
>much. I'm sorry if this sounds off-putting, but I feel that you are a
>bit in league with one Squonkstail whose holy grail was intellect
>and his mission to defend it against my effort to take it down to its
>proper place. The MOQ mends things by by wrestling the
>metaphysical "M" from SOM leaving its S/O the intellectual value
>level of its own system
>
>Allen - Hello Bo, I appreaciate you have been in discussion for ages but that is not an
>intellectual argument it is an apeal to authority which is a social
>pattern i think.
>
>It is argument which is important and not alliances and name calling.
>
>To tell anyone that you have been at something for ages and yet can not be bothered to
>begin from scratch does yourself a great injustice because if you have
>rehearsed your position for as long as you claim then you should be in the best way to
>have developed the skill with which to convey it simply and concisely to
>others.
>
>To say you can not be bothered is to say you do not value it. What more can be more off
>putting than to tell some one you can not be bothered yourself.
>
>Putting that to one side i consider your intellectual position and once more i stress that i
>have read all your material so there is not even any need for you
>to start from scratch in any case. This makes things even worse because now you
>simply repeat yourself over and over again in the vain hope that someone is just
>going to blindly say ok i agree with you. That happens when free thought is deliberately
>suppressed and freedom for expression is dampened.
>
>I am not on a mission to do anything more than explore the ideas of thinkers i appreciate
>and enjoy. I do not enjoy your ideas and find them to make sense in an
>old fashioned and retrograde way similar to Berkeley idealism. So call me stupid and
>call me an idiot but i look to other comments and the same reaction is met.
>Now allot of people are stupid and idiot and swine by your own language and this
>includes Robert Pirsig too.
>
>I want an argument not foul mouth. I want more than being told about special ideas and
>special outlooks and legacys. Tell me what you think and enjoy doing it
>because i am here to listen but you have to listen too. Blind statements are not cutting
>the mustard.
>
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