From: Michael Hamilton (thethemichael@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Jun 16 2005 - 15:32:02 BST
Hi again,
Okay I seem to have finally caught up with Bo and Matt's exchange on the
MOQ/intellect containment problem. Just so you know you don't have to
repeat, Bo, I have indeed found the following quote in response to this,
where Matt asked the same question I just asked:
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> So Bo clearly doesn't want to be regarded as an idealist. But that
> leaves us with the question that becomes more and more pressing--what
> is the MoQ? Bo answers with a sharp divide between theory and
> reality, that a theory doesn't reside within what it purports to
> describe. But this immediately becomes queer looking when what we are
> talking about are general theories of reality. How could it not
> contain itself and then claim to have described reality? Newton's
> physics never had a problem with this because it didn't itself purport
> to describe all of reality (maybe not historically true, but the
> practice of physicists (a class subsequently created after Newton to
> differentiate themselves from the "natural philosophers" they once
> were) has never bothered to worry about what their theories are
> themselves). However, it did cause a problem for _philosophers_ who
> wanted to use Newton and the New Science as the platform for a new
> general theory of reality. These philosophers became, eventually,
> known as logical positivists.
Bo replied, fascinatingly:
Most well-founded observations, but I don't postulate "a sharp
divide" between a metaphysics and reality. I say that the MOQ is
the Quality Reality. Look. SOM was the S/O reality and the first
move by Pirsig was to point to it, split it from reality, and the first
reactions (from the few who noticed) were to deny a SOM
...which proves my point: it WAS reality itself. The S/O reality.
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MH will scratch his head for a while!
Regards,
Mike
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