From: Paul Turner (paul@turnerbc.co.uk)
Date: Tue Jul 26 2005 - 16:54:26 BST
Sam,
>>>I
>>>think the GPTs are simply more or less useful filing systems, and that
>>>they
>>>are perennially modifiable.
>>
>> Paul: More or less useful, sure. Not sure about filing systems though.
>> Is
>> e=mc2 a filing system? Modifiable? Yes, of course, but not sure it
>> happens
>> perennially. It would take a lot of rapid reweaving to do that.
>
>By filing system, I am referring to a pattern used to organise other
>patterns. By that standard I think e=mc2 would indeed qualify. And I would
>also argue that it is modifiable - all of science is modifiable, as history
>shows.
Paul: I say above that I already agree that GPTs are modifiable, but I
questioned whether this was a perennial occurence.
>> Paul: I think the point of the brujo story was to illustrate the role of
>> Dynamic Quality in creating new static patterns i.e. the activity was
>> "governed" by DQ and not by any static patterns. It is where he
>> introduces
>> the static-Dynamic distinction after all.
>
>So the brujo is a cypher? RMP describes freedom as action in accordance
>with
>DQ, so there is presumably not a contradiction between saying that the
>brujo
>freely chose certain actions and that DQ governed them? (Which is therefore
>exactly the same as the classic Christian account of free will).
Paul: My point was that the brujo was not following social or intellectual
patterns, he was following DQ.
>In which case I'm still interested in how the DQ was actualised, ie how the
>DQ interacted with the various static patterns. From my point of view the
>brujo's own decision making process is the explanation.
Paul: Yes, in the sense that the brujo's decisions were Dynamic and not
static.
>The selection and development of intellectual patterns, eg in science,
>depends upon patterns of intellectual integrity, eg honesty. And that isn't
>simply a social level pattern, because it seems to me that the social level
>has no use for honesty as such, because societies don't necessarily benefit
>from honesty; a different scale of values applies. Whereas the fourth level
>seems to me to be precisely structured by those values - the fourth level
>_could_not_exist_ without the value of honesty. It is honesty which
>structures the fourth level (along with other elements).
Paul: I'm sorry but I really don't see, by what you've said so far, how
honesty structures knowledge. Can you elaborate on this?
Regards
Paul
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