Re: MD Consciousness/MOQ, definition of

From: Scott Roberts (jse885@cox.net)
Date: Fri Sep 02 2005 - 19:06:09 BST

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    Dav, Ian, Jos,

    You all have been discussing how one might find out the workings of
    consciousness under the assumption (Ian partially excepted) that it is an
    outgrowth of biology when biological systems reach a certain level of
    complexity. Here is why I think this pursuit is foolishness.

    First, assume that all relevant factors are strictly spatio-temporal. (If
    one denies this assumption, for example, by bringing in quantum
    non-locality, then all bets are off, since the question is whether or not
    consciousness arose in time.)

    The contents of perception are macroscopic, yet the spatio-temporal
    processes consist of an immense activity of microscopic events. Each such
    event is separated from all others by space and/or time. All communication
    from one event to another is just another microscopic event. Given the
    assumption, there can be awareness of nothing bigger than these microscopic
    events (and actually not even that, since awareness requires a background
    against which the foreground -- the event -- is set off, hence it contains
    more information than can be found in an event). Hence, the assumption of
    strict spatio-temporality must be wrong. Appeals to complexity theory,
    recursive loops, etc. make no difference, as long as the strict
    spatio-temporality assumption is made. Science can only study the biological
    activity that accompany perception, somewhat like studying what a television
    does. It cannot explain perception itself, what actually gets shown on
    television.

    Another argument: we know that the contents of our sense perceptions (trees
    and such) are built out of raw (or at least rawer) sensations (color
    swatches, tones, etc.), which in turn are assumed to be built out zillions
    of quantum level events (e.g., electrons absorbing photons). In other words,
    what we see, hear, etc., are products of perception -- they don't exist as
    macroscopic objects except in the act of perception. Yet in trying to
    explain the processes of perception biologically, we are using those
    products (e.g., glial cells) as existing prior to perception to explain
    perception.

    Combining the two arguments, there is an alternate hypothesis, that space
    and time are created in the acts of perception. This does not entail that
    "to be is to be perceived", just that non-perceived reality is not
    spatio-temporal, that perception converts it into spatio-temporal form.
    Science (with the partial exception of quantum mechanics) is the study of
    that consciousness-produced spatio-temporal form, the products of
    perception, and not of a reality in which or by which perception can be
    explained. (For more on this, I recommend Samuel Avery's "The Dimensional
    Structure of Consciousness" and of course Owen Barfield's "Saving the
    Appearances")

    - Scott

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