From: mark maxwell (laughingpines@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Sat Sep 03 2005 - 03:43:36 BST
Mark M, Ian,
Mark 2-9-05:
I would suggest that the total repertoire of symbols
is static while DQ evolves the whole repertoire all
the time. The repertoire includes memories, books, the
Internet, etc.
Scott:
Why not call the evolving of the symbolic reportoire
intellect?
Mark 3-9-03:
Because it is static.
Scott:
Don't we say Einstein employed intellect to come up
with his theories, that we employ intellect to write
these posts? Otherwise, we might as well deny all
freedom and responsibility to human beings.
Mark 3-9-03:
I would say Einstein's intellect utilised his
contemporary repertiore.
MM said:
The source of DQ motivation requires refinement, but
when it does, it must include algorithms within AI for
example.
and
Mark 2-9-05:
I'm afraid i do not understand what good old fashioned
intellect as propounded by Pirsig is? As far as i
remember, even Pirsig suggests that AI is intelligence
and this does not seem to be old fashioned but rather
contemporary in nature.
Scott:
Algorithms within AI are mechanical (like all
algorithms), and as such are the diametric opposite of
intellectual activity.
Mark 2-9-05:
Algorithms manipulate symbols.
Scott:
Of course, an algorithm may be valuable, in the same
way a shovel is, but that's all.
Mark 2-9-05:
Shovels do not manipulate symbols.
Scott:
"Artificial Intelligence" is one of greatest acts of
public relations hyperbole ever produced by the
scientific community.
Mark 2-9-05:
One thing is clear: Computers manipulate symbolic
representaions.
Scott:
All operations of a computer have no more than
inorganic value unless and until its output is
observed by a human being, just as a shovel has no
value unless and until it is used.
Mark 2-9-05:
Shovels do not manipulate symbolic representations.
Scott:
There is no *symbolic* activity on the part of a
computer (unless one considers all activity to be
symbolic, in which case the symbolic activity of a
computer is the same as that of a rock).
Mark 2-9-05:
Oh dear.
- Scott
Mark 2-9-05:
Mark
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