Re: MD The intelligence fallacy (was Rhetoric)

From: Case (Case@iSpots.com)
Date: Mon Sep 12 2005 - 17:49:15 BST

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    [Platt wrote]
    > Since the beginning of the MD there's been lots of references to
    > experience, awareness, sensation, perception, feeling, consciousness, etc.
    > -- words that as far as I know have never been agreed upon as to their
    > meaning. Something the individuals in this group might constructively do
    > would be to agree on the precise meaning of such terms. By doing so,
    > better mutual understanding would likely result.
    >
    > I'll start by defining "pure experience" as Pirsig does:"The Metaphysics
    > of Quality says pure experience is value. Experience which is not valued
    > is not experienced. The two are the same." (Lila, 29)
    >
    > The question for all is: Shall we accept the definition of "experience"
    > the same as Pirsig's definition of "pure experience, i.e., "experience is
    > value?" I vote Yes.

    [Case replies}
    Excellent suggestion Platt. I would vote yes to the first one just to have
    us move on to defining Value. But I suspect that finding agreement on those
    terms would be impossible. They all have different meanings in different
    fields and some have resisted definition for about the last 2300 years. I
    would suggest rather that we just thrown them all out. They generate more
    heat than light.

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