RE: MD The intelligence fallacy (was Rhetoric)

From: Laycock, Jos (OSPT) (Jos.Laycock@OFFSOL.GSI.GOV.UK)
Date: Thu Sep 15 2005 - 11:50:46 BST

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    Cheers Paul

    I wont insist, I get the idea.
    Like you say, I will run with what I have for the time being, and if it
    causes me to trip over my own feet at some stage in the future, then so be
    it.

    Jos

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
    [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Paul Turner
    Sent: 15 September 2005 10:22
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    Subject: RE: MD The intelligence fallacy (was Rhetoric)

    Jos,

    >Paul:
    >Your argument seems to me to be: "No quality-based metaphysics is
    >intellectual because no quality-based metaphysics is intellectual."
    >
    >Jos:
    >The difference between us as I see it, is that I start with an abstract
    >definition allow it to divide what I observe, so I replace your quote from
    >hypothetical-me with a new one from real-me:
    >"I force myself to place elements of a quality based metaphysics "above"
    >intellect as they are outside the definition that I have chosen".
    >
    >Whereas you start from observation and build your definition:
    >Paul (hypothetically):
    >"The construct of a quality based metaphysics is an *intellectual one, thus
    >any definition of intellect must encompass it."
    >
    >But how did hypothetical-you, decide to use *this word at that point in the
    >sentence, when you hadn't started to define what it was, until the end of
    >the sentence?

    Paul: Hypothetical-Paul's decision is the result of a chain of
    definition-observation-definition-observation etc. I can't tell you where
    my 'first' definition of intellectual came from other than vaguely pointing
    at my whole life prior to thinking about what was meant by 'the intellectual
    level'. I can tell you that somewhere along this 'chain' I've tried the
    'SOL' definition and I don't think it works for reasons provided again and
    again in this forum. But, unless you insist, I'm not going to go through it
    all again. Better, I think, to see where you go with it. I like your
    approach and, despite appearances, my opposition to SOL has largely given
    way to indifference. I only got roped back into the discussion because Bo
    misrepresented my position.

    Regards

    Paul

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