From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Sep 22 2005 - 21:12:44 BST
> > Khaled
> >> As usual you paint every body with a broad brush, then when presented
> >> with details you claim ignorance.
> >
> > I notice you attack me rather than attempt to answer the question.
>
> [Case]
> I notice you still haven't answered the question.
Since when is "No" not an answer?
> >> > > Platt continued:
> >> > > "When that area [the Middle East] becomes democratic, terrorism
> >> > will abate."
> >
> >> > Killing enough of them will allow the peaceful people to rule.
> >> > Already we see many flocking to polls when given a chance. The
> >> > yearning
> >> to be
> >> > free beats in every human breast.
> >> > Compared to Middle East kingdoms and theocracies, democracies give
> >> > people a better chance at a decent life. Wouldn't you rather live in
> >> > a democracy than in Iran or Saudi Arabia?
>
> [Case]
> So if we kill everybody that disagrees with us that will bring about peace
> and harmony in the world?
Not kill everybody who disagrees. Kill everybody who tries to kill us.
> Under your prescription the only hearts left
> beating would be those yearning for your version of what is good for them.
> You continue to insist that people in other parts of the world shared your
> values. You claim to value individual freedom but how is that value served
> by the use of force?
By defending it.
> >> Platt, How much Arabic do you know? How much
> History of that region do >> you >> know? They claim that the Eskimos have
> a couple of hundred words to >> describe snow. Because they live in it and
> they need to know every nuance >> about it. >> >> The Arabic language has a
> couple of hundred words to describe a sword. >> Until you know what ails
> these people, until you get into their psyche, >> you >> can't prescribe a
> remedy. Again showing your ignorance of a culture, a >> region and its
> people. > > Are you saying Arabs don't want democracy, freedom and a better
> life? > Talk about painting with a broad brush!
>
> [Case]
> I think he is saying that for the past 150 years one group of imperialists
> or another has been trying to enforce western values on middle eastern
> countries and it just doesn't seem to work out very well. Many Arabs have
> been very clear about not wanting to emulate western culture. Why exactly
> is it that despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary you think they
> do want these things.
Who says they should want to emulate our culture? There's lots of things
in our culture I wouldn't want to emulate, like drugs, rock and Ted
Kennedy. But I think they want democracy and freedom, as evidenced by
their votes in the face of death in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Platt
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