From: david buchanan (dmbuchanan@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 02 2005 - 22:47:36 BST
Howdy MOQers:
DMB said:
The idea here is that words and concepts limit us, box us into cetain
interpretations of reality so habitually and so thoroughly that most of us
walk around convinced that we're looking at reality, but its just our own
limited concepts that we see.
DM replied:
How about concepts do both, they stop us seeing all that is available but
they also let us see more clearly. They cover and uncover in the same
moment.
dmb says:
Sure, I could go along with a qualified version of that. I'm not too picky.
In fact I don't even think "hallucination" or "illusion" are very good ways
to characterize static quality. I was just trying to get at "the limits of
language are the limits of the world" idea in terms of the mystical
experience. I say your version needs to be qualified because I'm concerned
about the assertion that concepts "stop us seeing all that is available".
This seems to suggest that there is some material reality we don't yet know,
some undiscovered turf. I think its important to describe these cultural
filters in terms of screening out certain experiences or kinds of
experience. Its like they de-sensitize us to something we already know, like
they make us forget, rather than hide an object from view, if you will. And
finally, one of the main reasons why words like "hallucination" and
"illusion" work so poorly is because there is nothing unreal about static
patterns. Its the world we create, but that doesn't really mean its anything
less than the real world.
See, I think dis-illusionment is supposed to be a realization about the
radical nature of freedom. I don't think its supposed to be all about
creativity, and not just in the arts or sciences. As Paul put it way back in
the middle of August, "...enlightenment isn't about seeing 'the way the
world really
is' e.g. "it really is an undivided whole," but is more about being aware
that 'the world really isn't configured in any way in particular'.".
Thanks,
dmb
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