From: Ant McWatt (antmcwatt@hotmail.co.uk)
Date: Sun Oct 02 2005 - 23:18:33 BST
Ham stated October 2nd 2005:
Anthony and Bo --
Ant McWatt stated on September 25th:
>Anyway, keeping in mind what Owen Barfield puts forward
>in "Saving the Appearances", it seems that primitive human
>cultures were using logic and the manipulation of symbols
>before the seeds of SOM arose with the Greeks.
Ant then quoted himself from September 22nd:
>To cut to the chase, if SOM was the intellectual level of the MOQ then
>that would mean the MOQ itself is part of SOM or that the MOQ is a
>NON-intellectual static pattern (such as a social one). Both options
>seem nonsensical to me.
Whatever point Barfield was trying to make in "Saving the Appearances", the
fact that primitive cultures used logic and manipulated symbols prior to an
established philosophical dualism has no bearing on what intellect is.
Ant McWatt comments:
It does in this debate, Ham, as the issue being discussed is Bo’s SOLAQI in
relation to how Pirsig (rather than some “ham”-fisted SOM philosopher or
dictionary) defines “MOQ’s intellect”. The strong evidence that “primitive
cultures used logic and manipulated symbols prior to an established
philosophical dualism” denies the possibility of SOM being MOQ’s intellect.
I’m afraid the rest of your post is lost on me as it begs more philosophical
questions than how the pyramids were built and makes “Alice in Wonderland”
seem relatively coherent and logical (for a start, how can “intellect” be
“pre-intellectual”?).
Best wishes,
Anthony.
“The Pirsigian concept that Intellect is ‘pre-intellectual’ is an
epistemological notion that has nothing to do with the sequence of
historical events.” blurted out the Twaddle-som Hamster.
“Oh Cheshire Puss, this sounds SOM nonsense” said a bemused Alice who
overhead the old rodent. “How can MOQ intellect be “pre-intellectual”?
“If the Twaddle-som one can’t think of an answer, I think I will have to
think before I think of an answer for you” said the smirking Cat...
.
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