From: Case (Case@iSpots.com)
Date: Fri Oct 07 2005 - 16:12:09 BST
> [Case]
> Strike heresy insert silly.
> Mark:
> Pick up a piece of Horse shit and through it at a
> statue of Jesus. A few Hundred years ago you would be
> lucky if you did not have your heart cut out and
> nailed to an Oak tree. Silly?
> Today you would be arrested and thrown in clink for a
> spell to cool off, and maybe charged for damages.
> But if you threw your Horse shit at a Buddha statue, a
> buddhist would not be offended.
[Case]
Technically throwing Horse shit at a statue of Jesus would be blasphemy not
heresy but perhaps you are right about excessive quibbling.
> Mark:
> At this point, i'll thank you for helping me to think
> about Cybernetics and sq evolution - Secondary
> ontology as harmony. It's excitting to have remained
> so close to the topic in hand.
[Case]
This was precisely the point of departure. You are placing Harmony in a
secondary position. I maintain that Harmony is primary. It is the component
missing from Pirsigs re-non-definition of the Tao into Quality. He seeks to
place the emphasis on Value so the materialists can't dismiss it. He is also
convinced that this imparts to MoQ the proverbial, 'you know it when you see
it' quality. In Taoism harmony, the union of opposites, that is front and
center. It is balance between poles that counts. It is the perception of
harmony that leads one to follow "The Way" and to seek the proper
relationships among thing.
> Mark:
> That's fine.
> However, chaos is not DQ in the MOQ and RMP underlines
> this in the 1993 AHP conference tape when he says, 'DQ
> is not chaos' or something telling like that.
> I don't equate chaos with anything other than
> patterned nonesense. Patterned nonsense is analogous
> to cancer in biological patterns, rioting in social
> patterns, and Ham Priday in intellectual patterns.
> I'm sure you get the drift.
[Case]
Do you know where that tape can be located?
I get your drift but chaos is a word with many meanings. The one you are
working with is not the one I am working with.
For a some brief intros visit:
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci759332,00.html
http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
James Gleiks' "Chaos" offers a highly accessable account. I am convinced
this is the stuff paradigm shifts are made of.
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