From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Sun Nov 13 2005 - 15:32:45 GMT
Hi Bo
DM: You can
>> split these into those by intuition and those by postulation
>> as per Anthony's thesis.
>
BO:> Everybody wants the intellectual level to be some mental ability,
> Pirsig that of manipulating symbols, you that of using concepts
> (the same thing BTW) but intellectual VALUE is that of seeing the
> symbols what is symbolized, concepts what is conceptualized
> distinction. An unknown reality for the "social" world.
DM: Well it is surely related to the way socialised human beings
are able to create new levels of organisation that effects nature,
society and the individual. Mainly through concepts and
language, and yes new values emerge with this and give the
evolution new possibilities and ends, and so a new world
emerges too. I still think there is a more complex pattern
of evolution here than one from social values to SOM intellectual
values, although that is an important part.
DM>> The latter have been dominated
>> by an SO metaphysics, but as the MOQ and other examples
>> show this is not a necessity. Also see my other post today
>> in a new thread.
>
Bo> The point about "intuition/postulation" is so special that I must
> dwell on it. You see "intuition" is one of the concepts I call "grand"
> (related to Quality in a way that could have made them the
> ground for some Q-like metaphysics) ) so this pair can be
> compared to Quality while SOM ruled. Thus it is not all correct to
> say that postulation is "dominated by SOM" it's rather that
> postulation IS SOM.
>
> If that is what you mean, disregard my spoon-feeding. ;-). Haven't
> yet studied your other post. Will do.
>
DM: Well I think what we can argue is that DQ-SQ is a
postulated polar concept but one that carries less assumptions than
the subject-object divide.
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