Re: MD Intellectual Art (Ayn Rand)

From: Valence (valence10@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Mar 28 2003 - 15:17:17 GMT

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    Hey Platt and Steve,

    > STEVE:
    > > I think it was Steve Martin who said something like "Talking about art
    is
    > > like dancing about poetry."
    >
    > Nice. Thanks for the quote.

    RICK
    You're either thinking of John Lennon who said "Writing about music is like
    talking about fucking" or Elvis Costello who said "Writing about music is
    like dancing about architechture." In both cases, they were talking about
    the critics. Not the general idea of discussing art.

    PLATT
    > Pirsig doesn't say as much about the arts as he might have. The reason
    > may be contained in the following passage from Lila, Chap. 13:
    >
    > "Third, there were moral codes that established the supremacy of the
    > intellectual order over the -social order-democracy, trial by jury,
    freedom
    > of speech, freedom of the press. Finally there's a fourth Dynamic
    > morality which isn't a code. He supposed you could call it a "code of

    > Art" or something like that, but art is usually thought of as such a frill
    > that that title undercuts its importance."
    >
    > There's a hint here that art might be an unrealized fifth level, an idea
    I've
    > argued for in the past.

    RICK
    I always thought the "Code of Art" was the existing moral code of Dynamic
    over static rather than the suggestion of a new level. But you could be
    right.

    >
    > RICK:
    > What level do "aesthetic patterns" belong to in the MoQ?

    PLATT
    > They may belong in an unrealized fifth level. That's where I'd like to put
    > them. But, I can't find much encouragement from Pirsig. What do you
    > think?

    RICK
    I don't know. To tell you truth, I've always thought that Pirsig gave the
    fine arts the shaft when he designed MoQ. The Mona Lisa has to be more than
    an inorganic pattern. It does use symbols to represent experience, so it
    seems like some sort of intellectual pattern given Pirsig's definition...
    Perhaps Pirsig's defintion has revealed that the intellectual is just far
    more sweeping and inclusive than we previously suspected...???

    take care
    rick

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