Re: MD What's the difference?

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue May 06 2003 - 22:58:24 BST

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    huh, I sent this one last night, and now it gets here! I recreated it
    pretty well, almost verbatim. I don't understand where the hang up is, at
    my hotmail when i send, at the listserve, at my hotmail when i receive.
    Sometimes I see someone's response in my inbox before i get the post they
    are responding to, so my guess is it's in my receiving.

    >From: "johnny moral" <johnnymoral@hotmail.com>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >Subject: Re: MD What's the difference?
    >Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 02:44:24 +0000
    >
    >Hi Platt,
    >
    >I think morality most concisely conveys the idea of the collection of
    >existing patterns that supply words with meaning than those other words do.
    > Reality conveys the idea of "objective reality" and sort of leaves
    >meaning out of the equation, whereas morality, being associated with human
    >behavior, more strongly conveys the idea of meaning and understanding.
    >Experience is associated with the individual, subjective reality. Morality
    >is in the middle, not objective, not subjective. The Tao is also "the
    >middle way" and is the word CS Lewis used for morality in Abolition of Man
    >(read it yet?).
    >
    >Btw, it was pretty sly of you coming up with a second word you left out,
    >just to further slight morality every chance you get and deny me any
    >satisfaction. "Value" is just about the most benign word in the entire
    >language. Just can't bear to salute morality as the meaning of it all, can
    >you? It goes against your libertarian theology.
    >
    >Johnny
    >
    >
    >>From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    >>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >>Subject: Re: MD What's the difference?
    >>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:33:57 -0400
    >>
    >>Hi Johnny,
    >> > I'm wondering why you didn't include morality in your list :( The most
    >> > relevant point that Lila makes is that reality is morality, it even
    >>says
    >> > "an inquiry into morals" right on the cover.
    >>
    >>Since I included Quality I didn't think it was necessary to also include
    >>morality. Pirsig makes it clear that Quality is the same as morality. At
    >>the end of Chap. 7 in Lila he writes:
    >>
    >>"Because Quality is morality. Make no mistake about it. They're
    >>identical."
    >>
    >>But, I have no problem with adding "Morality" as well as "Value" if you
    >>think they make the list more clear and complete.
    >>
    >> > PS, I'd say they all mean pretty much the same thing, just from
    >> >different
    >> > perspectives relating to the knowledge available from that perspective
    >>and
    >> > moral conventions of understanding an individual consciousness's place
    >>in
    >> > the world. The word you left out is the word that supplies the
    >>differences
    >> > in meaning of all those words.
    >>
    >>I don't understand how "morality" supplies the differences in the meaning
    >>of
    >>all those words, especially since Quality, morality, value, reality,
    >>experience, etc. appear to be identical in the MoQ. Recall the hot stove
    >>example where "The value itself is an experience."
    >>
    >>Platt
    >>
    >>
    >>
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