From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Wed May 07 2003 - 02:48:06 BST
Platt, Sam, all,
Platt:
> Pirsig makes it clear that Quality is the same as morality. At
> the end of Chap. 7 in Lila he writes:
>
> "Because Quality is morality. Make no mistake about it. They're
> identical."
>
> But, I have no problem with adding "Morality" as well as "Value" if you
> think they make the list more clear and complete.
About the list Platt proposed refer to the same thing, Sam asked, "What is
the context?" Platt answered, "The context is the MOQ."
Steve:
I'm not sure if Platt sees it in the same way I do, but I have begun to see
the MOQ as indeed suggesting a context.
The MOQ is the context-less context. It is looking at Quality from the
outside. Quality from the outside looks just like morality as Pirsig said,
"They're identical." But morality is not equal to Experience. Morality is
what Quality *looks* like. It is seen from point of view rather than
experienced. The MOQ context divorces Quality and Experience.
Quality=Experience is the view from within only, and it only applies to the
ZAMM Quality insight not to the MOQ of Lila.
Lila's version of the MOQ is about a detached view of Quality. It sees
patterns of value from some outside point of view which ZAMM's Quality
insight says does not exist. Since Reality = Experience there is no
detached view.
It was extremely fruitful to work with this "context without a point of
view." It has incredible explanatory power relative to SOM. My point is
not to put down the MOQ, but to distinguish the Quality insight of ZAMM and
the MOQ. They are not the same. They apply to different contexts. One
internal, the other external.
These all work from an internal view. They refer to ZAMM's Quality insight:
Reality =Quality =Experience="I" or Self=Now= Awareness= Consciousness
=Apprehension=Existence=The Tao = value
These are viewed from outside, not experienced, but they still retain a
vision of Reality as Quality acquired through the Quality insight. They
refer to Lila's MOQ:
Reality = Quality = morality=patterns of value = values = The Tao rather
than the substances, forces, probabilistic tendencies, and causes of SOM.
Note to anyone thinking of responding to my MD MOQ post: In this post I
made a distinction that I should have made more clear in that post between
ZAMM's MOQ (which I've started calling the Quality insight) and Lila's MOQ
that I would like you to try to read into the MD MOQ post.
Thanks,
Steve
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