From: Paul Turner (pauljturner@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Thu May 15 2003 - 15:22:14 BST
Hi Steve
A confession - as I was writing the post that started
this thread I saw that the Quality event in terms of
the hierarchy could be seen as top-down as well as
bottom-up or indeed left to right!
I thought I'd see what responses it received before
commencing an argument with myself in cyberspace!
It was this interpretation that gave me the bottom-up
idea:
'between the instant of VISION (biological) and
instant of AWARENESS (intellectual)'
I also saw that you could interpret it as:
'between the instant of VISION (Dynamic) and instant
of AWARENESS (intellectual)'
...indicating a Dynamic perception. Which actually
fits the statement - 'A "dim perception of he knows
not what" gets him off Dynamically. Later he generates
static patterns of thought to explain the situation'
So in this way, the Quality event is:
1. Dynamic response
2. Intellectual response (rational)
and perhaps
3. Social response (symbolic)
4. Biological response (sensory)
5. Inorganic response (??)
So, the biological 'seeing' of the tree happens only
after a rational concept of the tree has been formed.
If you've never 'seen' a 'tree' before, you don't
'see' a 'tree'. How does this affect the development
of a baby description in Lila?
> Though
> Pirsig talks about
> pre-intellectual awareness, he is talking about a
> higher awareness preceding
> a lower one -- preceeding all lower ones including
> emotions (biological
> patterns) and inorganic awareness. What the
> mathematician perceives is more
> like an aesthetic awareness (trans-rational) that is
> later intellectualized
> into formulas and theorems not a rationalization of
> an emotional
> (pre-rational) response.
Top-down interpretation.
> Inorganic patterns themselves are not
> aware of these
> inorganic patterns. Only a higher level pattern
> could experience inorganic
> quality in these secondary kinds of ways (as
> patterns of value). Instead
> atoms experience inorganic value directly as the
> preference to bond with
> particular types of atoms and rocks experience the
> preference to fall down
> rather than up.
Definitely agree with that.
So - the Quality event - top-down, bottom-up,
simultaneous, either, neither?
Squonk says drop it, it's misleading. Maybe?
Thanks
Paul
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