Re: MD What's the difference?

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu May 15 2003 - 17:24:12 BST

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    Hi Sam,

    Seems like it was a good example to use to me! I'd read that article if you
    can find it, thanks. The 'decision' to move the finger is made by the will,
    in the 'now', in the pure quality, by morality, and both the awareness of
    the person and the finger moving happen a little bit after that. This is
    even true about "big" decisions like what flavor of ice cream to order at
    the ice cream shoppe: have you ever noticed that sometimes what comes out of
    your mouth isn't what you thought you were going to order, that even though
    you know you prefer strawberry, and even though you told your buddies that
    you were going to get strawberry, your ears hear yourself saying
    "chocolate"? It isn't just a freudian slip of inability to control your
    speech, it's literally not being aware of what your true choice is, because
    it isn't controlled by your conscious opinion of your what your will is, it
    is controlled by your will, which controls you.

    Johnny

    >From: "Elizaphanian" <elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    >Subject: Re: MD What's the difference?
    >Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:41:05 +0100
    >
    >Hi Platt, Johnny,
    >
    >A little comment on this.
    >
    >Platt said
    >: >This is your determinism bit that I completely reject simply by
    >: >performing the simple experiment of wiggling my finger to the left or
    >the
    >: >right as I wish, anytime I wish.
    >
    >Have either of you come across the recent experiments on brain activity
    >relating to 'wiggling
    >fingers' (I'll try and dig out a web reference)? Apparently the 'decision'
    >to move the finger, ie
    >the awareness in the individual and their choice, is subsequent to the
    >nerve impulse which moves the
    >finger, by a measurably significant period of time (ie a fraction of a
    >second). On the face of it,
    >this is 'knock down' evidence that consciousness is an epiphenomenon. I
    >don't agree with that - for
    >reasons not to be gone into here - but when I read Platt's words I just
    >thought that this may be a
    >particularly bad example to choose!
    >
    >Sam
    >
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