Re: Re: MD Quality events and the levels

From: Paul Turner (pauljturner@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Thu May 15 2003 - 18:08:22 BST

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    Hi Steve

    > I think the point of the hot stove example is that
    > awareness of Quality on any
    > level preceeds a response of any kind.

    OK. Value is experience. Value creates an awareness
    which precedes response. The responses occur in
    patterns which together are the entirety of the
    familiar world.

    But you see, Pirsig doesn't leave it at that, he
    creates an evolutionary hierarchy of levels built
    around the different responses. I'm trying to
    understand the responses and the hierarchy in terms of
    experience, in this case by applying it to an example
    he uses to illustrate the Dynamic-static distinction.

    In terms of experience, is the hierarchy arbitrary,
    does it only apply to evolution? There is an implied
    hierarchy in ZMM, is that wrong? Value / Experience is
    the starting point of all reality, what is the
    evolutionary view derived from then? I've been told
    that now only intellectual responses can be made to
    Dynamic Quality, how does this fit with examples in
    the book? How does it fit with my experience etc etc

    These are the sorts of questions I am working through
    at the moment, perhaps I'm approaching them the wrong
    way?

    Advice?

    Paul

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