From: Destination Quality (planetquality@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed May 28 2003 - 14:11:42 BST
Hi Nic, welcome I think,
You wrote; Subject: MD quality-man made or natural?
>Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:08:41 +0100 (BST)
As I understand it quality is being placed as a fundamental or the
fundamental basis of perception .
The definition of this quality being provided in the story of the essay .
This definition seems profoundly tied up with human concious constructions
only .
davor: It is simply inevitable to speak about anything without some sort of
human conscious construction but....one of the fundamental assumption of the
Metaphysics of Quality is that there is an apriori Quality called Dynamiv
Quality, this Dynamic Quality is the real basis of all experience. The
Quality you describe is Static Quality, that is Quality mediated through
human, conscious or unconscious, experience.
For instance I can read a book or watch a film and I mentally grade them
with levels of quality . On the other hand if Iook at a tree or a seascape
the quality is always absolute , the sea is always perfect sea and trees are
always perfect trees . More accurately to natural things quality does not
apply , they are perfectly what they are and could not be anything else .
davor: You are argueing that the natural is absolute and the cultural is
relative, this is in my humble opinion not correct. Nature as well as
culture are build up of static patterns of value and Dynamic Quality and the
cultural as well as the natural, or I prefer, the lower level
patterns(inorganic, organic) as well as the higher level patterns(social,
intellectual) contain relativistic as well as absolute aspects. Though it
can be argued that the described lower patterns are what used to be called
the objective world but I do not believe in that(first two levels being
objective) as they are relatively static, thus relative.
> My question then is does this quality only apply to the perception of
>conciously constructed things ?
davor: No to everything, mediated or unmediated
I feel that quality is only reduced through the filters of perception , the
perfectly enlightened being would see the perfection in any essay and
equally always write the perfect essay . Quality is always perfect and so
does not really exist .
I welcome any enlightenment in this matter.
davor: I am not qualified to speak about this i reckon, I read a few mystic
works recently but could not feel that these works were somehow closer to
the unmediated experience. But there are some people, including Pirsig who
do feel that.
Some hot debate has taken pkace recently over this issue(mediated versus
unmediated experience and wether something like that is possible or
favourable), the pragmatist point of view, the split being unnecessary and
problem provoking rather than problem solving) is well argued by Matt K. you
can check it out in the archives as I always say,
good luck,
davor
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