RE: MD MOQ human development and the levels

From: Paul Turner (pauljturner@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon Jun 02 2003 - 14:33:38 BST

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    Hi Platt, David

    Hope you don't mind me butting in, social-intellectual
    discussions are of real interest to me at the moment.
     
    > dmb says:
    > I think its a mistake to think of any group as the
    > Giant or as
    > "collectivism".

    Yes, but 'collectivism' is an intellectual pattern of
    value that supports social patterns of value in
    general.

    In fact, Pirsig describes the
    > intellectual half of Woodrow
    > Wilson as the advocate of the League of Nations, our
    > first serious attempt
    > at a global organization.

    The League of Nations, and any other global
    organisation, is still a social pattern of value.

    The ideas that direct it are intellectual patterns of
    value which will be for or against other social and
    intellectual POV. In other words, global is not the
    same as intellectual and is not better than other
    organisations by default. A community that supports
    high quality ideas is better than a global
    organisation that pushes low quality ideas.

    > dmb wraps:
    > I think this explains Platt's reaction and makes it
    > obvious why he would
    > object to the Sensitive Self.

    I think the MOQ explains and supports Platt's
    reaction.

    > Wilber's "auto-immune disease"

    Can you describe this further? At first glance, it
    seems to say that the process of evolution is a
    disease.

    cheers

    Paul

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