From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Mon Jun 02 2003 - 13:28:03 BST
Sam
You must fuse mind and wit with all the senses
before you can feel truth.
And if you can't feel truth you can't have any other
satisfactory sensual experience.
Hi Sam,
DuMB (for it is he) has made Quality decisions regarding Ken Wilber's corpus.
Corpus horibilus i feel. I also feel the forum is overrun with this stuff,
which has been actively promoted for years - any new member is vetted for Wilber
sympathies and then ignored if they are found lacking. Check that out for
yourself.
Past MoQ thinkers have not helped ironically enough. Some of them, and one in
particular felt they understood the MoQ better than Mr. Pirsig. Oh dear! With
that environment being cultivated, no wonder it was so easy for the anoraks
to walk in! The result is the stifling of new MoQ thinking.
Naturally, we discover sympathy. I feel Wilber is a form of cancer within the
forum - a network of anoraks and trainspotters who have not quite grown out
of the days when they used to read lots of Asimov, Von Dyniken, Lobsang Rampa
and UFO books - intelligent people who can't calm down but require plenty of
stimulus - people who can make correct sounding intellectual statements, but
don't actually create anything themselves, for creativity requires sympathy of a
higher kind. Coming from LA, Wilber has tapped into a rich vein of the
fantastic; a theory of everything spells book sales and $$$$, what could be better?
Hellier, if that is how you spell his name, has made it clear he wishes to
see the forum closed. I don't know why? Maybe a former pupil of his trotted out
the MoQ in his class and made an ass of him in front of his other pupils? I
feel Hellier is dominated by social patterns so that could be an explanation?
Perhaps Hellier was eaten away so much by his shame that he simply had to
irradiate the source? (There may be a novel in there - Get typing!) If you read one
US Amazon.com review you can hear Hellier's rhetoric? Why would Hellier review
his own part in the criticism of Lila's child? Spooky! Why recommend 'Nody in
Toytown' as a follow up to it? Strangeness.
Hellier never complained about Wilber you understand? Wilber works for
Hellier's desire to see the forum strangled to death. Anything that smacks of
raelians or scientology would do quite as well i imagine...
DuMB has made a large number of asshole statements. He's made some good ones
too - in the Wilberian tradition of syncretism however, they are usually
borrowed from other people. But that's OK, its not being unable to think for
yourself, it is in fact syncretism, which is how we all learn, so that's OK. A
recent asshole statement was to dismiss the MoQ as a generalisation. Immediately
before this however, DuMB states the MoQ explains a great deal. DuMB is funny
because he cannot see how ludicrous he is. Sometimes it's painful, as when he
states that he could be entertained all night by the words of the intellectually
dominated, thus indicating he never was. Painful. For if he had, he would no
doubt have been disabused of his Wilber fancying. Instead, this forum has
become his own little playpen - somewhere he can stand tall and sound deep because
Wilber is so tortuously convoluted, no one really understands what the blazes
he's on about. (Read any essay by John Beasley for a good example of how the
Wilber rhetorical style has been imitated to ego boosting effect.)
Wilber? Spend the summer reading Shakespeare, Blake or John Donne and listen
to Ravi Shanker - it's more enlightening.
We are our Quality decisions. If we wish for a coherent Quality community of
dynamic thinkers we need to be open to Quality first. Wilber is a Value sink
in my view. The MoQ is a value fountain. It's up to you.
squonk
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