From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Jun 05 2003 - 19:50:49 BST
Hi Matt, DMB,
I think Paul provides an example of an "ahistorical, universal priveleged
position" in his last posting to the Re: RE: MD MOQ human development and
the levels thread:
"Yes, Nobel prizes and sounding good in a discussion
group are examples of the high quality that social
patterns give to status. The ‘approval’ of ideas is of
higher value than the ‘truth’ of them to a society or
community."
Now, Paul does put quotes around 'truth', so maybe he's not being
ahistorical, but he's certainly implying a privileged position in the
assumption that society doesn't do an accurate job of approving or not
approving. I am sure that Paul and Scott are right and that Nobel prizes
pander to Hollywood, and that there are scientists who seek fame and social
approval more than truth, and that society doesn't always do an accurate job
approving ideas, but in the (continuing) end it is society that judges the
truth of an idea, relying on trusted authorities (ie, Nobel prize winners
and discussion group posters) to tell us what is true.
Johnny
>From: MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD Structuralism in Pirsig
>Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:12:22 -0500
>
>All,
>
>DMB sighed:
>Sigh. This is not an argument or an explanation. As presented, as usual,
>its
>just a slogan. I honestly wonder what in the world you're talking about. I
>mean, please, for god's sake, give me a real world example of an
>"ahistorical, universal, privileged metaposition". What strange creature
>does this fancy phrase refer to? The divine right of kings? Who posits such
>metapositions except for religious fanatics? And if the MOQ paints a
>picture
>of a constantly evolving dynamic reality, then what in the world does this
>phrase have to do with Pirsig's work? Examples. I need examples. Sigh.
>
>Matt:
>Yep, that was a slogan. The strange creature it refers to are
>metaphysicians.
>
>I want to apologize to the people who wanted me to reply to DMB with
>examples. The problem I have is that I've unpacked almost every slogan I
>use on this website many, many times. I've given examples of textual
>evidence many, many times. I no longer have any desire to reply if DMB is
>the only one that doesn't get it or remember it. If anybody cares to
>respond for me by elaborating the position or hunting down old posts, being
>as several people have at least understood my position, and a few are even
>sympathetic to it, by my guest. If nobody does and you are a person who
>cares and really wants to know, you can e-mail a post to this website, or
>e-mail me privately. If you do it privately I'm want to take more time and
>care with it.
>
>Again, my apologies to attentive philosophers everywhere.
>
>Matt
>
>
>
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